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moderated Re: Hashtag Permissions setting is misleading #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 12:57 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The message should be held in pending form for the original sender, not the moderator. And they should get an email telling them to edit the message.
Mark -- Interesting. I didn't even think to try it as a mere Member.

If a Member does it, it's held as a draft as you mention above. But if a Moderator does it, it's held in moderation (pending) as I originally posted. Seems a little more complicated than necessary, but is certainly acceptable.

This only applies to messages sent via email, as if you try to post a message from the website with a new hashtag, it'll give you an error message right then.
Right.

So, yeah, using the word Bounced is not accurate. Suggestions appreciated.
I find Duane's suggestion to be acceptable [read: I'm struggling to come up with anything better]. If too long, replace "saved as a draft" with "held."

Thanks,
Bruce


moderated Re: #suggestion Add a Pricing tier between Basic (free) and Premium #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

This doesn't seem like the place to have a discussion about the fundamentals of non-profits. (And I regret my own previous participation.)

Pete


moderated Re: Pending message stuck after email address change #bug

 

On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:32 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

one of our members sent a message to our moderated group. My co-owner claimed it and was checking it before approval. In the mean-time, the member changed his email address and we now have a message that we cannot approve (we have not tried deleting it yet so you have evidence of the issue).  It may be that the message was claimed part way through the email address change process when the new address/account was in NC status - I am not sure if that would make a difference or not.

It handles all that fine, so I was confused as to what happened. Looking at the logs, when the pending message was approved, the member was not confirmed, which caused an error (which was not shown on the website, which isn't great). Approving the message now, because he is currently confirmed, would work.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Add back Active checkbox to Invite and Direct Add member notices #suggestion

Drew
 

This happened in our group. We only just realized that our custom text was no longer being included in invitations. The person who sends the bulk of invitations in our organization is not otherwise involved in administrative tasks in the group; but the change was also overlooked by by owners/moderators who sent occasional invitations over the past year.

Yes, please do implement an option for an "active" template for invitations so that the custom text will be included by default.



Drew

On 09/15/20 20:13, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Mark -- I'm resurrecting this thread because the problem came up again in GMF. Apparently there are several groups out there who didn't notice the change in mid 2019 that implemented multiple invite/direct add templates. They expected the previous behavior that auto-populated the invitation with the "active" member notice. As a result, they've been sending invitations for more than a year without any custom text at all.
For those of us (and I suspect it's a substantial majority) who have no need for any multi-template feature, it would really be nice to be able to set a default/active template and have it auto-populate without having to select a lone template from the pick-list time after time.
Thanks much,
Bruce


moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

Are there any plans to restore the History for banned members? I know this has been through several iterations so I don't know whether its recent disappearance was intentional or part of this bug. The banned list used to be the *only* place you could see the history of past members (which led to the hack of banning recently left members so I could see their history), but then the history was added to the Past members (which is not available in basic groups) and was available in both places. Now it's gone from Banned.
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moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

Sandra
 

That is perfect. Thank you very much. 

Sandra


moderated Re: #suggestion Add a Pricing tier between Basic (free) and Premium #suggestion

 

To me, a user of simple English, a non-profit organisation is any organisation
which does not make a profit. That probably includes the vast majority of
groups on this platform, including this one, with no income and no expenditure.

Whether or not something is tax deductible depends on which country you live
in. I assume from your reference to "IRS rules" you are thinking only of USA.
Those rules are of no relevance in most of the world. Like most of the
internet, this is an international platform.

Jim Fisher

On 15 Sep 2020 at 11:22, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

I'm  confused.

Simply setting up a nonprofit organization has  some basic costs which must be
covered. But, it would seem that, as a nonprofit, you have the legal ability to
solicit donations from others' who might have an interest in advancing your
cause. Such donations would be tax deductible to the donors under IRS rules.
BTW, what is the name of your non-profit? --
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moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

Looks good now. Thanks!
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moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

I'm reading about Mark's fix after posting my message. They crossed. I'll check it out now.
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moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

I agree. It is - to use a strong word, but I believe warranted - worthless in its current form. It seems to consist of just the join (or apply) date and all the messages the member sent. You can get that by "all messages by this member" - which is in fact more useful, since that's all the messages that were posted. The list of messages the member sent only adds extraneous (and useless) information because not all of them may have been approved.
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moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

Hello,

I think I've fixed this bug now. Please let me know if it is still not working right.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

Sandra
 

Thanks Janet, 

I am pretty sure I used to be able to see a lot more activity on the member page and under their activity history. 

I found an old topic where it was discussed and it seems like "all activity" for a member is in the activity history on their member page. 

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/3122?p=,,,20,0,0,0::Created,,%22member+page%22,20,2,80,93560

It seems to have changed a month or so ago. I know I can find the information in other ways, but it was handy. Right now the activity history on the member page, is basically "all messages by this member". 

Sandra


moderated Re: Group creation page Visibility dropdown reset bug #bug

 

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 7:50 PM Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,
 
In the group creation page, if there is a syntax error in the Email Address value and the data validation checker gets invoked after clicking on "Create Group", the error is correctly identified but unlike the Email Address and Group Description fields whose values are preserved, the Visibility dropdown gets reset to the default value and it can be easily missed.
 

This has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Subscriber SPAM-removed email notification bug and one anomaly #bug

 

Hello,

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 11:00 AM Christos G. Psarras <christos@...> wrote:

I run into two minor issues yesterday, one reproducible, the other one a weird one which I cannot reproduce.

The reproducible one first; during generation of the notification's message body text for the SPAM-removed emailed notification, the code that checks/formats the "offending" email's subject for inclusion in the notification text, must be looking for the group SubjectTag value sans the two brackets, because if the "offending" message subject does contain the SubjectTag text sans the brackets somewhere in the subject, the code doesn't prefix the inserted subject text with [SubjectTag].


For these notifications, we grab the subject line from the reports we receive from the email service providers. We do try to strip out subject tags, but we do so simply by looking for [ and ] and removing everything in between those characters (plus those characters), because sometimes the subject tag gets mangled in these reports. As you've also seen, other parts of the subject line can also be mangled in seemingly random ways.

Mark


moderated Re: Hashtag Permissions setting is misleading #bug

Duane
 

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 11:57 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
So, yeah, using the word Bounced is not accurate. Suggestions appreciated.
How about "Messages from members can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is saved as a draft for editing."  A little wordy, but seems clear to me.

Duane


moderated Re: Hashtag Permissions setting is misleading #bug

 

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 7:14 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- Not sure if this is a suggestion or a bug, but I'd call it a bug.

It revolves around the Hashtag Permissions setting in Message Policies. In the pick-list, there is an entry stating that "Messages from members can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced." But it seems that what actually happens is that the message gets held in moderation. At that point the Moderator can of course reject the message, or replace the offending hashtag with an approved one. If the message is approved without change to the hashtag, the hashtag is added to the hashtag list.

The message should be held in pending form for the original sender, not the moderator. And they should get an email telling them to edit the message. This only applies to messages sent via email, as if you try to post a message from the website with a new hashtag, it'll give you an error message right then.

So, yeah, using the word Bounced is not accurate. Suggestions appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #suggestion Add a Pricing tier between Basic (free) and Premium #suggestion

Mahendra Bakshi
 

Hello Rick Gray,

You said
>>>I am part of a small non-profit group of about 30 members that I have set up a pilot GIO for, however, with the limit of no sub-groups for the basic plan, it makes things more difficult to achieve an efficient site.
>>>

I think there is an alternative that will provide the functionality of sub-group under the Basic Plan.  As I understand it, when sub-group functionality is available in groups.io, the sub-groups are identical copies of the main group except a newly created sub-group does not have any members except the Owner who created it.  Sub-groups are empty to begin with and does not inherit anything such as photos, files, etc from the main group.  The Owner then invites those who should be in the sub-group.  Sub-groups are independent groups with their own website address and home page.  What goes on in sub-group is not shared with the main group and vice versa.

If what I am saying above is inaccurate, I would request members to point out and clarify my understanding.

So for your small non-profit group (snpg), you can create a new Basic group called (snpgCommittee) which will be a "sub-group" for the 3 or 4 Committee members.

Hope this will be helpful to you and others who would like to have sub-groups capability.

Mahendra Bakshi.


moderated Re: File-notice hashtag on upload message not shown in message archive #bug

 

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 7:39 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

a member of one of my subgroups uploaded a file and a file-notice message was generated with the file-notice hashtag. I have moderated the hashtag so it was held as expected for approval. I approved the message but it appears in the archive without the hashtag which then allowed someone else to respond to it. I have since locked the file upload topic.  See the upload message for B4494.mp4 on my wobmob subgroup for details.

Hmmm. I'm unable to duplicate this in my test environment. Please let me know if it happens again.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: #suggestion Add a Pricing tier between Basic (free) and Premium #suggestion

Pati Nagle
 

The groups I'm talking about are not even non-profits. They are little clubs, a few people, and they don't have any income or fundraising at all. Any costs would come out of the members' pockets.

These groups want to support groups.io financially, but the only available option for doing that is too expensive for them.


moderated Re: Membership Page and Activity History #bug

 

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 08:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Changes to the member's posting status are not currently shown in the member activity page at all. I don't know if they ever were
It's so weird. Thinking about this later, I could swear I used to see these in the member's activity history. I could tell, for example, whether someone had been put on and off moderation multiple times, and I'm pretty sure I could see by which moderator and all the details. To check, I tried to look in some banned members' history - but even the history records of those members are now completely gone. So I looked in the activity logs of some current members, and the only thing in them now are things like "applied" and "sent message." I think you're right that there have been some major changes here. And I think not being able to see changes to a member's posting status, for example, is not good. I just changed someone's status yesterday and it's not showing up at all in the member's activity.
 
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