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moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

“If Donations are not enabled” for what, exactly? Are you saying groups.io should daily monitor whether any of the user’s groups have Donstuins enabled, and toggle the enablement of their credit back and forth accordingly, depending on their groups? People here are addressing this issue as if “Donations enabled” applied to a user (it doesn’t), or as if the user is only in one group. Doesn’t make sense because the former is not correct and the latter probably is usually not. 


On Sep 1, 2020, at 6:04 AM, Chuck Palmer <palmerct@...> wrote:

On the contrary — it does not make sense for members to be able to enter a credit card in their account info if they are not owners or if Donations are not enabled. 

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moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 08:04 AM, Chuck Palmer wrote:
it does not make sense for members to be able to enter a credit card in their account info if they are not owners or if Donations are not enabled.
But it doesn't hurt anything either.  It could be a nightmare, IMO, to keep track of whether any group a person belongs to has Donations enabled at any given time since they can be turned on and off as needed.  People can also join and leave groups as often as they want.  Having the card info already entered would make it easier for someone that creates a group and decides to upgrade.  The new manuals in the Help Center certainly make finding things a lot easier than they used to be, but unfortunately many people don't read them.  Having unused/unavailable options disabled/grayed would be useful in this respect.

Duane
moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Terry Slattery
 

I agree with Mark. People learn where things are, even if they are not enabled. "Now, where did I see that option?" and an ensuing search through the GUI to try to find the option, only to find out that the 'mode' you were in didn't show it. This is why User Interface guidelines prefer that items be disabled (grayed out) instead of removed.
  -Terry
moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Chuck Palmer
 

On the contrary — it does not make sense for members to be able to enter a credit card in their account info if they are not owners or if Donations are not enabled. 
moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Chuck Palmer
 

Agree. By “turn off” I meant disable — not remove. 
moderated Files Upload button display bug #bug

Chuck Palmer
 

See this thread in GMF - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/files_upload_option_still/76526867

Per Christos' recommendation I am submitting it as a bug.

Regards,
-chuck
moderated Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

Mark Fletcher
 

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 4:02 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Can people still follow the topic without responding to it, by actively selecting to follow it? And can people who've responded to it (and therefore automatically follow it) elect to unfollow it later?

Yes to both of those questions.

Mark 
moderated Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

Linda King
 

Okay, I just checked my settings. Mine is set to (reply to) Sender. If I understand correctly, my messages will stay the same they were and are not set to what you described below...correct? (Because what is mentioned below is something I definitely DO NOT want.) I just want to be sure.

Thanks!!!
Linda



-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: main@beta.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2020 3:28 pm
Subject: [beta] New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

Hi All,
(Resending this to fix the formatting).
I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag reply to setting, reply to topic followers only. Here's how it works:
  • The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.
  • All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.
This is a reply to setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the reply to to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.
What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and hide it from the larger group.
Please let me know if you have questions.
Thanks, Mark
moderated Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

J_Catlady
 

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 03:32 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I'm not seeing it in my group settings
I see it. Reply to "topic followers only." It's there.
 
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moderated Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

J_Catlady
 

Can people still follow the topic without responding to it, by actively selecting to follow it? And can people who've responded to it (and therefore automatically follow it) elect to unfollow it later?


On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 3:28 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

(Resending this to fix the formatting).

I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag reply to setting, reply to topic followers only. Here's how it works:

  • The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.
  • All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.

This is a reply to setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the reply to to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.

What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and hide it from the larger group.

Please let me know if you have questions.

Thanks, Mark


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moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

paul fox
 

mark wrote:
> My inclination has been to not remove things in the interface that are not
> available, but to disable them/grey them out, when possible. My thinking
> is that I want people to know where everything is, even if they can't
> currently use a given feature. I've been frustrated with other software
> where things appear and disappear depending on settings. "Why should I
> look there, I've never seen it there before!" Also, at least for me, it
> creates awareness that the software can actually do that particular
> feature, even if I can't take advantage of it at the time.
> But Mark, you say, things disappear on the group sidebar if they are not
> enabled. You're right! Perhaps I should change that so that instead of
> them disappearing, they should be disabled. Anyone object to that?

Could the list at least be ordered such that the features that _are_
enabled are all at the top? When many things are disabled, there will
be long jumps between active elements in the list.

paul
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paul fox, pgf@... (arlington, ma, where it's 66.0 degrees)
moderated Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

Robert Kingett
 

This is great! When will this be deployed for everybody because this is super great. Reason I'm asking is I'm not seeing it in my group settings, under reply options.
moderated New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only (resend) #update

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi All,

(Resending this to fix the formatting).

I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag reply to setting, reply to topic followers only. Here's how it works:

  • The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.
  • A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.
  • All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.

This is a reply to setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the reply to to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.

What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and hide it from the larger group.

Please let me know if you have questions.

Thanks, Mark
moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

Mark Fletcher
 

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:35 AM Chuck Palmer <palmerct@...> wrote:
See this thread in GMF - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/76526722

Suggestion is to turn off Billing->Credit Card under Account if the member is not a group owner or Donations is not turned on.
If Donations is not turned on, its presence is not needed and only adds confusion for those who are not group owners.


My inclination has been to not remove things in the interface that are not available, but to disable them/grey them out, when possible. My thinking is that I want people to know where everything is, even if they can't currently use a given feature. I've been frustrated with other software where things appear and disappear depending on settings. "Why should I look there, I've never seen it there before!" Also, at least for me, it creates awareness that the software can actually do that particular feature, even if I can't take advantage of it at the time.

But Mark, you say, things disappear on the group sidebar if they are not enabled. You're right! Perhaps I should change that so that instead of them disappearing, they should be disabled. Anyone object to that?

Thanks,
Mark
locked Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only #update

J_Catlady
 

Or maybe it’s just something weird with my phone???

On Aug 31, 2020, at 3:09 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark, can you resend this? It’s coming through with all the HTML. Thx!
On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag <code>reply to</code> setting, <code>reply to topic followers only</code>. Here's how it works:</p>
<ul>
<li>The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.</li>
<li>All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.</li>
</ul>
<p>This is a <code>reply to</code> setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the <code>reply to</code> to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.</p>
<p>What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and <code>hide it</code> from the larger group.</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have questions.</p>
<p>Thanks, Mark</p>



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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
locked Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only #update

J_Catlady
 

Mark, can you resend this? It’s coming through with all the HTML. Thx!

On Aug 31, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag <code>reply to</code> setting, <code>reply to topic followers only</code>. Here's how it works:</p>
<ul>
<li>The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.</li>
<li>All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.</li>
</ul>
<p>This is a <code>reply to</code> setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the <code>reply to</code> to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.</p>
<p>What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and <code>hide it</code> from the larger group.</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have questions.</p>
<p>Thanks, Mark</p>


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locked Re: New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only #update

Mark Fletcher
 

And it looks like I just uncovered a (completely unrelated) bug having to do with editing a pending message that was originally composed in Markdown causing the resulting message to be improperly HTML encoded. So I'll be fixing that. :-)

Mark
locked New feature: Reply to Topic Followers Only #update

Mark Fletcher
 

<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I've just pushed a new group, topic and hashtag <code>reply to</code> setting, <code>reply to topic followers only</code>. Here's how it works:</p>
<ul>
<li>The first message in a new topic is sent to everyone in the group as per their normal settings.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for the person who originated the topic.</li>
<li>A follow topic record is created automatically for anyone who replies to this original message.</li>
<li>All subsequent messages to the topic are sent only to people who are following the topic.</li>
</ul>
<p>This is a <code>reply to</code> setting, so if the group is set to that, it will apply to all topics. If a hashtag is set to it, it will only apply to topics with that hashtag. Also, you can take an existing topic and change the <code>reply to</code> to this new setting. When you do that, the system will create follow topic records for everyone that has participated in that topic up to that point.</p>
<p>What does all this mean? It's now easier to have semi-private topics within your group; where only participants see the topic, but where the messages still get archived. You can also take an existing, active topic and <code>hide it</code> from the larger group.</p>
<p>Please let me know if you have questions.</p>
<p>Thanks, Mark</p>
moderated Event RSVP Activity Log #done #suggestion

Charlie Behnken
 

Hi, 

starting to use the Event RSVP a lot for the next quarter with a lot of new users and we are running into some hiccups that I think could be addressed by including information in the Activity Log.

First problem was people getting RSVPs rejected due to the Event being locked.  When I looked at the Event (a day later) it was not locked, but Locking an Event is not logged in the Activity log, so I can not tell if it was actually locked and unlocked, or who locked it.

Second was the organizer sent out an email to the Attendees and no one got it. This 'message' is also not logged in the Activity Log as a message so once again I can not tell if it was actually submitted or not.

It would make trouble shooting my new users activity easier if these were logged.

Thanks,
Charlie

P.S. there is a bug in RSVP - when I click on View Responses it tells me how many people are attending etc.  It also says I am attending on every event even though I have not responded. If I respond Will Not Attend it is correct.
moderated Re: Turn off Credit Card tab #suggestion

J_Catlady
 

Sorry, typo! Toggle, not goggle 😊


On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:48 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

But isn’t Donation a group-specific goggle? Whereas the credit card tab is account-specific. So the suggestion doesn’t really make sense.


On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Chuck Palmer <palmerct@...> wrote:

See this thread in GMF - https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/76526722

Suggestion is to turn off Billing->Credit Card under Account if the member is not a group owner or Donations is not turned on.
If Donations is not turned on, its presence is not needed and only adds confusion for those who are not group owners.

Thanks!
-chuck
[Mod note: edited the subject to be more descriptive]

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu