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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

 

They can opt out of the directory and would also have to opt out of creating a profile/userID, which also lets you email them. I don't find this problematic as long as it's documented.
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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

paul fox
 

chris jones via groups.io wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:51 AM, Duane wrote:
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 02:32 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
>
> If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have
> their personal details revealed
>
> We are talking about the Directory, so all they have to do is not make
> their profile available to other members.
>
> Even then the Directory does not directly reveal members' email addresses.
>
> However, it is perfectly possible (and therefore, it must be asumed,
> legitimate) for a group Owner to set the Members List to be visible by all
> members, making each member's email address directly available.
>
> I'm far from certain that membership of any group brings with it the
> certainty that one's email address will remain "secret" for ever.

I suppose if you join just to *read* messages, then the Directory might
be a concerning leak. Otherwise, your email address goes out every time
you post. Every message sent from a group via email contains the poster's
address in the From: line.

I do agree that the web interface obfuscates this somewhat, and you
might be led to believe that your address is private.

paul
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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:51 AM, Duane wrote:
We are talking about the Directory, so all they have to do is not make their profile available to other members.
The directory allows members to provide certain details in their profile about themselves to other members and be contacted by them. It's up to them how much detail they wish to provide but the profile details do not include their email address so this should not be accessible to other members by other means. Just saying they shouldn't use the directory is not good enough IMHO.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 11:51 AM, Duane wrote:
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 02:32 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have their personal details revealed
We are talking about the Directory, so all they have to do is not make their profile available to other members.
Even then the Directory does not directly reveal members' email addresses.

However, it is perfectly possible (and therefore, it must be asumed, legitimate) for a group Owner to set the Members List to be visible by all members, making each member's email address directly available.

I'm far from certain that membership of any group brings with it the certainty that one's email address will remain "secret" for ever.

Chris


moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 10:42 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
I would say that their email address is not their “personal details.”
Not true. Under GDPR (which Groups.io says it is compliant with https://groups.io/static/compliance)   Personal data is any information that can be used to identify someone. It can be something straight forward like an email address or a combination of other things. See https://dataedo.com/blog/what-is-personal-data-under-gdpr for a basic overview.

Andy


moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 02:32 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have their personal details revealed
We are talking about the Directory, so all they have to do is not make their profile available to other members.

Duane


moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

 

I would say that their email address is not their “personal details.” It’s the email address they have chosen to use for participation in a hybrid email listserv/web-based forum, and they should not expect it to be hidden, even if they never post.


On Aug 28, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:22 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bottom line, email addresses are not hidden in groups.io. Any time someone posts, you see their email address.
If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have their personal details revealed by someone else (who may not be a Mod with access to the member list) due to a quirk of the system.

Andy

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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

 

I disagree. 


On Aug 28, 2020, at 12:32 AM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:22 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bottom line, email addresses are not hidden in groups.io. Any time someone posts, you see their email address.
If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have their personal details revealed by someone else (who may not be a Mod with access to the member list) due to a quirk of the system.

Andy

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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 11:22 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bottom line, email addresses are not hidden in groups.io. Any time someone posts, you see their email address.
If someone joins a group to read messages only they should not have their personal details revealed by someone else (who may not be a Mod with access to the member list) due to a quirk of the system.

Andy


moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

 

In fact my only complaint about it would be that in a private reply, you can't see the email address a priori. I always worry that it went to the wrong person.
Bottom line, email addresses are not hidden in groups.io. Any time someone posts, you see their email address.
I don't think this could be considered a bug.
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moderated Re: Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

 

That has nothing to do with the directory. You can also bcc yourself on a private reply and see the email address.


On Aug 27, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

One of my group members reported this:

I thought that the idea behind the Directory function was that it enabled the sending of emails to other members without making their email address visible, however if you BCC yourself on the email in the Groups.io system, you then receive the email with the recipients email address on the TO line.

This doesn't seem right to me.

Regards
Andy


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moderated Other members email addresses can be revealed by using the Directory #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

One of my group members reported this:

I thought that the idea behind the Directory function was that it enabled the sending of emails to other members without making their email address visible, however if you BCC yourself on the email in the Groups.io system, you then receive the email with the recipients email address on the TO line.

This doesn't seem right to me.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Enable ability to copy from database entry without going through edit #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 03:33 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
You can copy the email address from the member list page if you start with your mouse pointer slightly to the left of the email address and then click&hold and drag to select the address.
That is, if you have mouse cursor. Won't work with many mobile devices.

Backing up...the user record must be openable in some fashion. Currently, the entire table row is clickable for this purpose. To fix this problem (if it is one), we would have to turn one of the columns into a series of clickable links, instead of the entire row.

We can't use the Display Name because sometimes those aren't populated. Using the email address isn't a fix. That leaves us with either the Joined or the Delivery column. Hmmm...not sure I'm fond of that, either.

Those who are advocating this change need to be more explicit in exactly what they want.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Enable ability to copy from database entry without going through edit #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 05:26 PM, Terry Tegnazian wrote:
but if I try to copy the email address from that one-line entry, the program immediately opens a full page
You can copy the email address from the member list page if you start with your mouse pointer slightly to the left of the email address and then click&hold and drag to select the address.

Andy


moderated Enable ability to copy from database entry without going through edit #suggestion

Terry Tegnazian
 

As a moderator, I occasionally need to reach a member individually, and would like to be able to copy and paste the member's email address from our member database. Right now it takes several steps to do that simple thing. First, I search on the member's name and their one-line entry comes up -- but if I try to copy the email address from that one-line entry, the program immediately opens a full page where I still can't just copy the email address, but must take an extra step to engage the edit function. Could you revise the program to enable us to copy from the one-line entry?
Thanks,
Terry Tegnazian
Westwood Hills


moderated Re: Direct Add to subgroup: stay on Direct Add page after adding; allow bulk searches #suggestion #done

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 02:13 PM, Dan Halbert wrote:
Andy, I do not see what you mean. I added myself to a test list, and it went back to the Direct Add page, showing the first page of all the members of the parent group, as it did originally.
Hi Dan,

I Direct Added a new member to my main group (and checked a box for one of the subgroups). The flash notice about one email address being process is at the top of the page but the rest of it is blank. You need to reselect the Direct Add option from the left side menu to redisplay the input fields so in effect, it doesn't save me any time or mouse clicks.

If you are adding/removing multiple existing members to/from different subgroups, don't forget that this can also be done via the Admin > Subgroups screen.

Andy


moderated Re: Schedule regular EXPORTs? #suggestion

Rick N
 

I have an automated routine that runs at noon and midnight without any intervention on my Windows 10 desktop, other than keeping the cookie file updated (every two weeks or so).  Since I download the membership lists for a number of groups that I support, I have a Perl script that generates the batch file.  Here's what a sample line looks like:

curl --output 20200826_1201_laurl_mbr.txt -b H:\cookies.txt "https://groups.io/g/LaurelMdFreecycle/memberlist.csv"

You can download a copy of curl here:  https://curl.haxx.se/windows/


Rick


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 12:25 AM Everett Kaser <everett@...> wrote:
Duane: The point was that if it could be scheduled to happen, then the email could also be processed (on 'this' end, when it arrives) automatically to download the file unattended and stored on the local backup, with no attention. What you're suggesting still requires manual processing, which kind of defeats the purpose.


moderated Re: Schedule regular EXPORTs? #suggestion

Duane
 

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 06:01 PM, Everett Kaser wrote:
One of my groups would like to back up their group regularly to a non-Groups.io site.
You could use API calls to get a lot of the information (members, message archive, etc.) so a little program on one persons computer could do everything using a scheduling program.  https://groups.io/api

Duane


moderated Re: Schedule regular EXPORTs? #suggestion

 

Duane: The point was that if it could be scheduled to happen, then the email could also be processed (on 'this' end, when it arrives) automatically to download the file unattended and stored on the local backup, with no attention. What you're suggesting still requires manual processing, which kind of defeats the purpose.


moderated Re: Make Sticky Topic show at top of Messages view #suggestion

 

It’s not my group and I have no idea why it’s done that way. My point is that this is just one legitimate use of stickies *as topics*, which is, after all, how the feature was implemented and has stood for years, and there no doubt other legitimate uses of *sticky topics* that don’t necessarily conform to an abra cadabra transformation to *sticky messages.” Sticky messages and sticky topics are different beasts. It’s not my job to defend this or any other group owner who has learned to use sticky topics (which is the feature - not sticky messages), or to figure out why they use the sticky topic (not sticky message) feature the way they do. I’m simply pointing out that there are use cases that the majority here in this circumscribed conversation may not be thinking about. 

If a sticky message feature is going to be implemented, it should probably be distinct from sticky topics. E.g., an individual message could be chosen as a sticky. It would not be restricted to first messages of topics. To turn every first message of a sticky topic into a sticky message is not what I would think of as a sticky message feature. I’d want to be able to pick out individual important messages. 


On Aug 25, 2020, at 8:46 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 07:00 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
about 20 stickies, all important and warranted
Is there some reason they can't be combined into fewer?  Seems like if there's that much stuff they want to bring to members attention, a monthly reminder (or a calendar event more often) containing all of them would be better.

Duane

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