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moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

Duane
 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:03 PM, JohnF wrote:
keep the member directory (so people can see who else is still in the group) and photos.
If a group wants to make the information available about contacting other members, they could make the Members list visible to everyone.  I don't find the member directory very useful since it only shows other members those that have chosen to make their profile public.

It's my understanding that emailed photos will still be there, so that should work as you described.

Duane


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

Dave Sergeant
 

On 10 Aug 2020 at 13:05, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I am making a change that will affect all new basic groups
I can see why Mark is making these changes but it does seem to me that
before very long there will no longer be any basic {as in 'free')
groups and groups.io is slowly following the pattern of yahoogroups
which still exists but with email only access. That is the very reason
we all came to groups.io in the first place. Many small groups use the
free option and could in no way go premium as they do not have the
financial resources. The 'freemium' model seems to be now dead.

Dave

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

 

Basic groups created after that time will be limited to mailing list features only. That means, they will not have polls, calendar, chat, member directory, integrations, photos, files, database, or wiki.
I'd like to suggest you keep the member directory (so people can see who else is still in the group) and photos. I imagine these would have to be kept for the moderators/owners in order to properly administrate the group, anyway. You could prevent direct photo uploads, meaning the only way to post a photo would be to mail it to the group. It wouldn't take any significant additional resources to keep these features, and it might help tease people into realizing that Groups.io is more than just a listserv.

JohnF


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 2:44 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 04:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I am making a change that will affect all new basic groups created after Monday, 24, 2020 at 9am Pacific Time. Basic groups created after that time will be limited to mailing list features only.
Mark -- At this time Basic groups are restricted to 1 GB total storage; this includes photos, files, attachments, etc. If photos, files and wiki are going away, what's going to happen with message attachments? If they'll continue to be retained in the message archive, how much storage will be allocated for this purpose?

Same as is now, 1GB. 

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 04:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I am making a change that will affect all new basic groups created after Monday, 24, 2020 at 9am Pacific Time. Basic groups created after that time will be limited to mailing list features only.
Mark -- At this time Basic groups are restricted to 1 GB total storage; this includes photos, files, attachments, etc. If photos, files and wiki are going away, what's going to happen with message attachments? If they'll continue to be retained in the message archive, how much storage will be allocated for this purpose?

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:24 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
What's that cutoff date again? :-)


Ooof. I did proof-read it before I sent it. It is Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9am pacific time, ie. two weeks from today.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 01:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
they will not have polls, calendar, chat, member directory, integrations, photos, files, database, or wiki
Will they have message lists?
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Changes to new basic groups #update

 

What's that cutoff date again? :-)


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:07 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
All,

I am making a change that will affect all new basic groups created after Monday, 24, 2020 at 9am Pacific Time. Basic groups created after that time will be limited to mailing list features only. That means, they will not have polls, calendar, chat, member directory, integrations, photos, files, database, or wiki. They will continue to also not have subgroups. To gain access to those features, these groups will need to upgrade to a premium or enterprise group. Basic groups will still have access to all of our mailing list settings, including hashtags.

This change will not affect existing groups.

I'm not making this change lightly. My strong desire as a developer is to make all features free to everyone so that everyone can benefit from the service. But my duty as the guy running the company (and still sole employee) is to ensure that the business model works. My hope is this change will give us the resources to start hiring additional help, while setting us on a firm financial footing now and in the future.

I have updated the Upgrade tab under the Admin menu, so that for basic groups, it now lists all these features and whether they are `legacy enabled`, for groups created before the change, and `not enabled` for groups created after, to hopefully help make things clear. I will also push updates to the various marketing pages when this rolls out on the 24th.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Changes to new basic groups #update

 

All,

I am making a change that will affect all new basic groups created after Monday, 24, 2020 at 9am Pacific Time. Basic groups created after that time will be limited to mailing list features only. That means, they will not have polls, calendar, chat, member directory, integrations, photos, files, database, or wiki. They will continue to also not have subgroups. To gain access to those features, these groups will need to upgrade to a premium or enterprise group. Basic groups will still have access to all of our mailing list settings, including hashtags.

This change will not affect existing groups.

I'm not making this change lightly. My strong desire as a developer is to make all features free to everyone so that everyone can benefit from the service. But my duty as the guy running the company (and still sole employee) is to ensure that the business model works. My hope is this change will give us the resources to start hiring additional help, while setting us on a firm financial footing now and in the future.

I have updated the Upgrade tab under the Admin menu, so that for basic groups, it now lists all these features and whether they are `legacy enabled`, for groups created before the change, and `not enabled` for groups created after, to hopefully help make things clear. I will also push updates to the various marketing pages when this rolls out on the 24th.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Database row level locking #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I've had an instance of two members editing the same row of a table at the same time and the first one to save their updates had them promptly overwritten without their knowledge when the second person saved their changes. Would it be possible to implement some row level locking or at least issue a warning if someone else is editing the same row.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Add the full range of photo editing tools to the Photos albums "photo edit" #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Shal

The same range of photo editing tools that are available on pics that are inserted in a msg or wiki page. (Not text editing.)

When you “edit” a pic in the photo albums all that’s available is rotation.
It shouldn’t be a huge deal (in my mind) to extend those tools to the photo albums.

The jargon was a poor attempt at humor (the brain power spent here discussing/deciding on message or post or thread or subject or topic).


moderated Do not delete pending messages after 14 days #suggestion

 

Hi,

I selected to moderate all new members, so when they post, I get an email, but I received it in the spam folder and did not notice until 2 months after. When I went to approve the messages in the "pending queue", the messages weren't there anymore, as they get deleted in 14 days.

Would it be possible to add an option to never delete pending messages automatically?

Thanks, Ondrej


moderated Re: Add the full range of photo editing tools to the Photos albums "photo edit" #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 01:26 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I’m suggesting only the full range of tools that are available under
posting msgs ... and wiki pages.
Oh, you want text formatting tools for the photo's Description box.
Shal -- If I'm understanding correctly, I don't think that's what Ken is looking for.

If you create a message and embed an image using the "Add pictures" dialog, you can subsequently highlight the image and several editing options come up (crop, rotate, flip, resize, sharpen, etc). If these features are available for an image in a message I don't see much reason why it couldn't be done with an image in an album.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Search criteria within a member page should correspond to it being an individual and actual group member #suggestion

 

If you are within a member activity page and trying to do a search on some activity a propos the member, many, perhaps even most, of the search criteria are completely general and don't correspond to the fact that you're searching on an individual member. They're the same criteria as in the overall group activity log. For example, tonight I wanted to see all the messages that a certain member had had rejected. I found search criteria like "message rejected from non-member," "message rejected from unconfirmed member," and nearly a dozen other categories for rejection of a message that were completely irrelevant, but not simply "message rejected" or "message rejected by a moderator." There are tons of others that also don't fit. It would be nice if the search criteria within a member activity page could include criteria that apply to individual members and not ones that don't.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Add the full range of photo editing tools to the Photos albums "photo edit" #suggestion

 

Ken,

I’m suggesting only the full range of tools that are available under
posting msgs ... and wiki pages.
Oh, you want text formatting tools for the photo's Description box.

Nevermind.

(is that “post” or “message” ....I get so confused) ...
The end of my subject (or it it “Topic”?)
"Post" or "message" has been argued about here. I tend towards "post a message" - "post" is the action and "message" the object. But I'm not always consistent about it.

As to "subject", that's a short text field that applies to both a "topic" and to each message in the topic. So for what you wanted to say "subject" is correct, the "topic" would be the list of messages sharing that subject text - including this one of mine.

Of course, this is Groups.io usage (jargon) I'm describing. In general English usage the two are much closer to interchangeable.

Shal


moderated Re: Calendar events - Zoom option #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Brady, if you have a repeating event you can do as Andy W said and when you save the event you are updating, you have an opportunity to update only the current one or all following.

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Calendar events - Zoom option #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 09:17 AM, Ry Jones wrote:
To pile on - we have a half dozen zoom accounts - could we link them all?
 You need to be more clear; are you asking about connecting the zoom accounts under a Zoom umbrella account of some sort?
Or for some unknown reason, adding all of your zoom IDs into a calendar event at Groups.io.
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Calendar events - Zoom option #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 05:07 PM, Brady Turner wrote:
Can the option to make a calendar event a Zoom meeting be added to that existing events can be changed from a non-Zoom to a Zoom event?

The only way to do this now is to cancel the existing event and create a new Zoom event.
Just paste the details of your Zoom meeting into the existing calendar event. There's no need to cancel and recreate your event on the calendar..

Andy


moderated Re: Calendar events - Zoom option #suggestion

Ry Jones
 

To pile on - we have a half dozen zoom accounts - could we link them all?



On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 2:32 PM, Brady Turner bturner@... wrote:
Can the option to make a calendar event a Zoom meeting be added to that existing events can be changed from a non-Zoom to a Zoom event?

The only way to do this now is to cancel the existing event and create a new Zoom event.

Brady Turner


Ry Jones
Community Architect, Hyperledger


moderated Calendar events - Zoom option #suggestion

Brady Turner
 

Can the option to make a calendar event a Zoom meeting be added to that existing events can be changed from a non-Zoom to a Zoom event?

The only way to do this now is to cancel the existing event and create a new Zoom event.

Brady Turner