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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 01:34 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
The Group Guidelines member notice does not have an option to send it as a Special Notice so what exactly is being 'sync'ed in this case?
Actually, it does.  4th checkbox is "Send monthly as special".  I'm a bit confused as well, because it's possible to not have that checked, but still set the hashtag #guidelines-notice to Special.  Maybe that's what this sync does, but I hope Mark will clarify it.

Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 05:36 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
CHANGE: For #guidelines-notice and #monthly-notice hashtags, sync the hashtag special field to the member notice special field every month.
I'm a bit confused by this one, on three points:

  • A 'sync' implies two-way updates but the 'to' reference suggests a one-way update copying from the hashtag details 'to' the member notice details
  • The Group Guidelines member notice does not have an option to send it as a Special Notice so what exactly is being 'sync'ed in this case?
  • At what point in the month is this 'sync' supposed to take place? I'm guessing the 1st of each month as that would tie in with some other 'monthly' activities but it would be nice to get confirmation.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Clarify Member Notice changes in Activity Log #suggestion #done

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

at the moment, when a Member Notice is created, updated or deleted it seems to generate the same message in the Activity Log:

changed group member notices via web

Could we add a bit more detail to specify the type of Member Notice and the type of action that was performed please?

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Wow, Mark, you must have cloned yourself this week. :-)
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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

Thanks Mark,

in addition to the list above, I can see the following:

  • CHANGE: The text 'Upcoming Event' has been removed from #cal-reminder message (Suggestion #25684)
  • CHANGE: The dates in the subject of calendar messages are now in local format (Suggestion #25673)

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

Chris Jones
 

Mark; many thanks for those changes. They should make things much more logical now.

Regards,

Chris


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • UPDATE: Documentation updates from Nina.
  • NEW: Monthly reminder notices can now be marked to be sent as special messages.
  • NEW: Added missing Notify Members checkboxes to remaining file, photo and album actions with the exception of moving files (TBD).
  • NEW: Added moderator notifications and Notify Member checkboxes for adding, modifying and deleting photo albums.
  • NEW: When moving a photo, added a moved photo activity log entry, Notify Members checkbox, and moderator notification.
  • CHANGE: In the Activity Log, change the word dir to folder when referring to Files Sections actions to be more consistent.
  • NEW: When uploading photos, there is now a text box to enter a description.
  • NEW: Added a Notify Members checkbox to the edit photo page.
  • BUGFIX: We were not properly escaping commas, semicolons and slashes in DESCRIPTION fields when generating calendar ICS files. Also, Google Calendar has a bug where it will ignore the entire DESCRIPTION field if there is a colon in the text, so we now replace any colons with spaces.
  • API: Added /getorg endpoint.
  • CHANGE: For #guidelines-notice and #monthly-notice hashtags, sync the hashtag special field to the member notice special field every month.
  • NEW: Monthly reminder notices can now be marked to be sent as special messages.
  • NEW: When sending out #monthly-notice messages, mimic what we do with #guidelines-notice message, create the #monthly-notice hashtag with a delete timeframe of a month, and all mods options checked.
  • CHANGE: In addition to not sending moderator push notifications to moderators that generated them, also don't send email notifications as well.
  • BUGFIX: Changed z-index of floating table header to be below the Your Groups dropdown.
  • BUGFIX: In the new moderator notifications, we were using the person's account display name, not the individual group display name (which is generally, but not always the same).
  • NEW: Include more information in album and photo group export data.
  • CHANGE: In digests, we were being too aggressive in stripping quoted sections of messages out when we knew the original message was not a reply. This led to some forwarded messages in digests missing key parts.
  • BUGFIX: Summaries were being sent to pending members.
  • API: Changed /registerdevice endpoint to /addpushsub
  • API: Added /getpushsubs, /deletepushsub, and /deleteallpushsubs endpoints.
  • BUGFIX: Fix reflow issue in database table view with new floatThead.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:01 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
To be clear:  Emailed Photos ARE included in the export -- along with all the other attachments -- as part of the messages.mbox file.
To be clear(er) - yes I know emailed photos are included in messages when they're exported - it was the fact that they are not if you just export photos that I was querying
As for clarifying this in the owner's manual, you will have to take that up in the docs subgroup.
My message in the docs subgroup was already drafted

Cheers
Andy


moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 7:50 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

Simple – to – report things first:

  •  The creation of a Folder is notified, but the creation of a photo Album is not. (Note: there is a mix of terminology here; in the Activity log a Folder is called a directory, and the Notification refers to a directory as well; IMHO it would be better if the word directory was not used.

 

- We now generate moderator notifications for album creation, modification and deletion, and each action also now has `Notify Members` checkboxes.
- The term 'dir' has been replaced in the Files section by 'folder'. 

  • The Move of a.File is notified, but the Move of a Photo is not. FWIW there is no available entry in the Activity log for the movement of a Photo.

- We now generate activity log entries for file moves as well as moderator notifications.
 

 

  • If a Photo is Edited, e.g. by adding some Description or changing its Name then a Notification is generated but the notification is to the effect that a new upload has taken place. This has the potential to be profoundly confusing. (Name changing can be a useful way of determining the order in which photos are displayed in an album, and adding a Description cannot be done at the time of upload; it can only be done by editing; neither action should be seen as in any way unusual. ) Edits should be notified as edits, not new uploads.

 

- You can now add a description when uploading photo(s). 
- The notification when updating a photo should say that it's been updated, not uploaded.
- There are now `Notify Members` checkboxes for all file and photo actions, with the exception of moving files (TBD). 

  • Notifications of Folder / File activities are by instigator’s Display Name only but Notifications of Album / Photo activity are by Display Name and email address.  It should be by Display name only.  

- Email address is no longer included in photo notifications unless a display name is not set.
 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 04:32 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
As they are viewable under the Photos section, if they're deliberately not included in an export, it would be helpful if this was mentioned in the owner's manual.
To be clear:  Emailed Photos ARE included in the export -- along with all the other attachments -- as part of the messages.mbox file.

As for clarifying this in the owner's manual, you will have to take that up in the docs subgroup.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Premium Database in Map scroll mode not working #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

As I've said for several months, the column titles disappear when one scrolls

The bug still exists.even though it was declared fixed.


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moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

Chris Jones
 

It's a bit difficult to carry forward meaningful quotes here! Anyway...

About Suggestion 1:

On 2020-06-19 these were put under control of the group's Message Moderation setting, as not doing so was seen as a bug.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25466

I think it also served to avoid forcing group mods to find/create each relevant hashtag and mark it "Moderated". At least in moderated groups.

Very possibly true, but it leaves a gap in overall capabilities. With a starting point of the fact that uploads themselves are not moderated, historically File uploads were announced immediately, assuming of course that hte originator ticked the box. Now any owners of moderated groups HAVE to follow the group setting even if thry would be perfectly happy to allow instant notifications. Should owners of unmoderated groups wish to moderate upload notifications then the new system allows them to do so, for moderated groups there is no option to turn that moderation off for upload notifications, and I was (and still am) seeking that capability.

If there was a "Do Not Moderate" checkbox for these notifications then this request would be met. Same outcome, different implementation. Please consider this possibility.

Moving on to Suggestion 2: When a member chooses to Notify members then the
Moderators’ Notification is superfluous and should not be sent. It isn't though. At least not for a moderator who doesn't have the permission to moderate messages, or who has turned Pending Messages notification off.

Ah but IMHO it is! Obviously I will agree that a moderator such you describe won't see any notification, but they will see the "published message" once someone else has released it. As I think that is sufficient then I think I will leave my suggestion in place in the hope that it will be considered; all I seek to achieve is better management of what is sent to moderators by minimising "excessive" traffic. 

My Suggestion 3: I'm not convinced! Perhaps I tried too many uploads and finished up confusing myself. In any event, if Suggestion 2 were to be accepted than "3" goes away of its own accord.

Suggestion 4 seems to be acceptable! :)

Now then... a bit of new business, and this is something I overlooked when preparing my previous submission.

If an individual File or Photo is uploaded then the notification has a subject line that is unique to that upload. If, however, any upload "window" includes 2 or more individual Files or Photos then the notification is a generic one that is common to every multiple Files or Photo upload. The result of that is that the published message about the notification is tacked on to any previous generically - titled notification, possibly with the 30 day limit on similar subjects. The result is that a thread of notifications is generated even if the only common factor is that they are File or Photo related. IMHO every group notification should be a standalone event and they should not be allowed to form a thread. It simply looks "wrong".

I tried to prevent this by experimenting with automatically locking the hashtag as soon as the notification was published, but IIRC it was trying that that "broke" Groups.io; it certainly took serious umbrage at this and notifications went completely haywire and I had to stop before (a) my sanity deserted me and/or (b)  I broke the entire internet.

So let's try a Suggestion 5: "somehow" generically titled notifications should be prevented from clumping together into a thread.  

I hope the above makes a bit of sense...

Chris


moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 04:57 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Andy -- It's my understanding that all attachments are base64 encoded and embedded in each message in your messages.mbox file as a separate MIME part. Thus, Emailed Photos (and attachments of any other kind) are not readily retrieved from the group export.
Hi Bruce,

I wondered if emailed photos would be separate in some way. As they are viewable under the Photos section, if they're deliberately not included in an export, it would be helpful if this was mentioned in the owner's manual.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

 

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:54 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've just changed it so that moderator notifications are also not emailed to the moderator who generated them
Mark, I just received (again) a totally startling push notification that the group has a new member, right after I approved the member. I know the "action" is technically by the member who joined, but in a restricted group, it is actually an action by a moderator approving the membership. So I think the notifications shouldn't go out about a new member to the moderator who approved the member.
 
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moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 07:03 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I exported the photos from my group and while it gave me those in an album I had created, it did not export the emailed photos album. Is this intentional?
Andy -- It's my understanding that all attachments are base64 encoded and embedded in each message in your messages.mbox file as a separate MIME part. Thus, Emailed Photos (and attachments of any other kind) are not readily retrieved from the group export.

You should be able to import the mbox file into a compatible mail client (Thunderbird, Apple Mail, etc) and extract the original binaries that way, but I haven't actually tried it.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 11:29 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:37 PM paul fox <pgf@...> wrote:
I've now twice requested a Photos export for my group, and received no
notification or link to the file.  Last time was this morning sometime.
If you're checking logs, the group is Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines .

This should be fixed now.
 
Hi Mark,

I exported the photos from my group and while it gave me those in an album I had created, it did not export the emailed photos album. Is this intentional?

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

paul fox
 

mark wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:37 PM paul fox <pgf@...> wrote:
>
> > I've now twice requested a Photos export for my group, and received no
> > notification or link to the file. Last time was this morning sometime.
> > If you're checking logs, the group is Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines .
> >
> > This should be fixed now.

Thanks. Indeed it is.

paul
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moderated Re: no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

 

Hello,

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 2:37 PM paul fox <pgf@...> wrote:
I've now twice requested a Photos export for my group, and received no
notification or link to the file.  Last time was this morning sometime.
If you're checking logs, the group is Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines .

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated no zip file email received after exporting Photos #bug #fixed

paul fox
 

I've now twice requested a Photos export for my group, and received no
notification or link to the file. Last time was this morning sometime.
If you're checking logs, the group is Wheeler_and_Wilson-Sewing-Machines .

Possibly/probably irrelevant: this is the first zip file I've
requested since you made the change described below.

Thanks,
paul

mark wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 07:44 AM, paul fox wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a reason that the json files that accompany the exported
> > image folders in the exported zip file don't include the Owner name
> > that was associated with the folder on the site, along with the Title,
> > Description, and creation date?
> >
>
> I've added more information to both the album and photo json exports.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>


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moderated Re: unable to add groups.io calendar to google calendar by URL #bug #fixed

David McBride
 

Yep - seems to be working now. 


On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:33 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 01:55 PM, David McBride wrote:
When will the fix get deployed?
Looks like it should be available now, "I think I've fixed the problem".  You'll probably need to recreate the ICS files.

Duane



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