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moderated Re: Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Mark Fletcher
 

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 03:54 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

I've also noticed that the column header overwrites the Your Groups drop-down menu:

This has been fixed.

Thanks, Mark
moderated Re: Testing Notifications; Fault or Feature? #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

Chris,

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:01 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

The emailed "attribution" uses the Account Display Name, not the individual Group Display Name. My 2 Account D/Ns were the same; I edited one of them and the "fault" followed the change.

Mark: is that intentional? It seems wrong to me.


Not intentional, it was a bug. Just fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Re: No user ID metadata in exported Photos zip file #bug #fixed

Mark Fletcher
 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 07:44 AM, paul fox wrote:

Is there a reason that the json files that accompany the exported image folders in the exported zip file don't include the Owner name that was associated with the folder on the site, along with the Title, Description, and creation date?

I've added more information to both the album and photo json exports.

Cheers, Mark
moderated No user ID metadata in exported Photos zip file #bug #fixed

paul fox
 

Is there a reason that the json files that accompany the exported
image folders in the exported zip file don't include the Owner name
that was associated with the folder on the site, along with the Title,
Description, and creation date?

Losing the owner information makes it much more difficult to recreate
the original tree with correct attribution, whether re-uploading (for
resizing purposes) or hosting elsewhere.

It's possible to get the owner name from the thumbnail index of the
Photos section -- so the omission can be worked around -- but it's
way more difficult than it should be.

paul
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paul fox, pgf@foxharp.boston.ma.us (arlington, ma, where it's 66.4 degrees)
moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 03:27 AM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
I've never seen "Past" listed before.  Do you have a top-tier (paid) group?
Yes, that would explain it.

Andy
moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

Andy,

I've never seen "Past" listed before.  Do you have a top-tier (paid) group?

Rick


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 6:17 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 05:15 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
Sure thing.  Attached is a screenshot of my permissions on that group
Thanks. That set of permissions gives me Moderators, Bouncing, Banned and Past which wasn't mentioned before.  However, I can recreate the issue and I'd say it's definitely a bug. As you said, when the Ban Members permission is in effect, it works OK. Without the Ban Members permission you get this after clicking the Members option on the left side menu:



You will note that there are 4 other options, including Banned, on the drop-down.  If you select Banned here, then you see this:



Now there are 5 options and this time it also includes Members. It seems Groups.io knows that the selected option is not Members (so it now appears in the drop-down) but without the Ban Members permission, it will not display the Banned list. The result is the malformed button and it still shows the member list.

After further testing, I found it's possible to recreate this issue if either Set Member Subscription Options or Set Moderator Privileges is checked.  I'm sure Mark will be able to resolve this when he returns from holiday.

Regards,
Andy
moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 05:15 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
Sure thing.  Attached is a screenshot of my permissions on that group
Thanks. That set of permissions gives me Moderators, Bouncing, Banned and Past which wasn't mentioned before.  However, I can recreate the issue and I'd say it's definitely a bug. As you said, when the Ban Members permission is in effect, it works OK. Without the Ban Members permission you get this after clicking the Members option on the left side menu:



You will note that there are 4 other options, including Banned, on the drop-down.  If you select Banned here, then you see this:



Now there are 5 options and this time it also includes Members. It seems Groups.io knows that the selected option is not Members (so it now appears in the drop-down) but without the Ban Members permission, it will not display the Banned list. The result is the malformed button and it still shows the member list.

After further testing, I found it's possible to recreate this issue if either Set Member Subscription Options or Set Moderator Privileges is checked.  I'm sure Mark will be able to resolve this when he returns from holiday.

Regards,
Andy
moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

Sure thing.  Attached is a screenshot of my permissions on that group.  Without 'Ban users' permission, attempting to display users that are banned will cause the incorrect display noted.  Enabling it will allow it to display properly.

Rick


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 3:46 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:15 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
If I am not allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to lose the alphabetical label and every member is listed.
Can you share a screenshot of your moderator permissions? As yet, I haven't found a combination of Moderator permissions that gives me just Moderators, Bouncing and Banned when clicking the Members button.

Thanks,
Andy

moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

J_Catlady
 

That’s true, since web/app won’t be sent to me. Also avoids the delay lol.

On Jul 3, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

It's the combination of the notification going to the person who did
the action plus the delay. They compound each other.
I don't find it to be irritating, but you can avoid both issues by choosing Web/app notification instead of email.

Of course that has the downside that you (generally) don't have a record of the events that happened while you were sleeping or otherwise occupied. I say "generally" because your OS or device may have a means to keep and review a log of recent web/app notifications.

Shal


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moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:15 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
If I am not allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to lose the alphabetical label and every member is listed.
Can you share a screenshot of your moderator permissions? As yet, I haven't found a combination of Moderator permissions that gives me just Moderators, Bouncing and Banned when clicking the Members button.

Thanks,
Andy
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Shal Farley
 

J,

It's the combination of the notification going to the person who did
the action plus the delay. They compound each other.
I don't find it to be irritating, but you can avoid both issues by choosing Web/app notification instead of email.

Of course that has the downside that you (generally) don't have a record of the events that happened while you were sleeping or otherwise occupied. I say "generally" because your OS or device may have a means to keep and review a log of recent web/app notifications.

Shal
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Shal Farley
 

DeniseD,

I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or
not but regardless it is going through the group.
It only goes to the group if the person who uploads the file checks the "Notify Members" box (and the group hasn't set #file-notice to moderated).

Moderators can control if and how they receive Moderator Notices of various types through controls on their Subscription page.

There's a summary of the Notification controls here:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/21482
(the Wiki is public, no logon or membership required)

Shal
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

J_Catlady
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 02:46 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
That's true for browser push notifications as I understand it, but as you found out, you still get the email several minutes later.
Right. And like you, I think the delay reduces its usefulness, and in the case of the notification going to the moderator who did the action, the delay makes it actually pretty useless (as well as irritating). It's the combination of the notification going to the person who did the action plus the delay. They compound each other.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

I'm curious behind your rationale for this position.  Is it due to the particular moderators you have in that one group? Why would it be acceptable for them to know who is currently a member, but not know who was either prevented from joining or removed for cause and blocked from rejoining?

I can certainly understand why a group owner/designated moderator limits who can approve, remove, or ban members, but why would even knowing who wants to join be restricted information?

I don't mean to be quarrelsome, just curious.  You're right that being able to finely tune the moderator's abilities would be best of all.

Rick


On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:09 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:49 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
I suggest that if a moderator is allowed to view the member list, then they should be allowed at least a view-only capability of the Pending and Banned members.
I would not like that to happen. There are some moderators in one of my groups who should have access to the members list but not the banned members list. I don't think all moderators should see pending members, either, unless they have permission to accept/reject members.

It should be possible to fix this issue without granting superfluous and (in some cases) undesirable viewing permissions.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...>
 

Thanks for that


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 8:06 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
No, it’s not going to the group. Just the moderator.


On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...> wrote:


I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
moderated Re: Bug in displaying Banned Members #bug

Rick N
 

I tested it again, and it still has the problems I reported. 

If I am not allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to lose the alphabetical label and every member is listed.

If I am allowed to Ban members, the Members button offers choices of Moderators, Bouncing, and Banned.  Selecting Banned causes the blue button to display 'Banned' and there is no one listed, as expected.

Rick


On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:38 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 08:49 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
It turned out that I did not have permission to Ban members.  When that was enabled, then the Banned member list display worked properly. Turning it back off caused the improper display again.
I cannot recreate this problem. With my Moderator account, regardless of whether banning members is enabled, the membership list display options work fine. If there is a problem, I think it's a bit more involved than just having permission to ban members(or not).

Andy
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

J_Catlady
 

No, it’s not going to the group. Just the moderator.


On Jul 3, 2020, at 2:55 PM, DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...> wrote:


I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying

On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

DeniseD <denisedavidson98@...>
 

I totally agree.  I thought we were given the option to have it go through the group or not but regardless it is going through the group.  Very annoying


On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 2:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen, but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action. I just uploaded a file, and about ten minutes later received an email notification that a file had been uploaded. This is not only useless but also annoying.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 05:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
but I was under the impression that if someone did action, they would not receive notification for the action.
That's true for browser push notifications as I understand it, but as you found out, you still get the email several minutes later.

Andy
moderated Re: Moderator notifications enabled for all #update

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 05:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I honestly can't keep track any more of what is and isn't supposed to happen...
IIRC not receiving a notification of something that you have done yourself applies to push notifications, not emailed ones.

I am also having problems working things out; see this thread. I am still investigating, but it is a long process and I have to (a) await for the "aggregation delay" each time and (b) stop regularly in the hope of working out what I have and have not seen. IMHO as things stand the "Notifications" have the potential to cause more than a little confusion.

Chris
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