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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

Chris,


I only found out about this uploading because I was looking in the Activity Log for something else entirely.

This problem is addressed by the additional Moderator Notices currently under test. I thought they were due to go live to all moderators yesterday, but I'm not sure if that happened.


While I can understand the point about members being informed about edits, relocations and so on ...

Ok, good.

I cannot see any reason why I should have to "defend" myself for wanting to maintain some sense of order in our Photos section or anywhere else,

I don't think you should either, in the sense that I don't think a reasonable member would challenge you on it (unless you did something unreasonable). But I also am not comfortable with a moderator's desire to be able to change member's content under cover of darkness.

I am still firmly of the view that moderators not only have the right but a duty to try to maintain order in a group's limited storage without having to explain their actions in detail on each and every occasion.
 
I don't disagree with any of that, and I don't think knowing that the particular member involved will be informed of your efforts should in any way deter you. It certainly does not deter me on those occasions where I find that a member's message that has already been posted needs to be redacted or otherwise modified.

Shal

moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:22 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
am still firmly of the view that moderators not only have the right but a duty to try to maintain order in a group's limited storage without having to explain their actions in detail on each and every occasion.
Agree 100%.
 
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J

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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 03:03 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
For edit I'd say the member deserves to know (and you likely deserve to fend off such questions). Maybe move too (if not notified the member might look and not find his/her content, and believe that it was deleted). I'm more willing to concede on delete: as J points out that's already a fact with messages.
I know that quite a lot of water has flowed under the bridge in the 7 days since the above was written, but...

This morning a member of the group I moderate uploaded some photos into an album he had created especially for the purpose.

He did not look to see if there was already a suitably titled album into which he could upload more photos.
He did not compose an album title that properly reflected the contents other than in a sense that was so broad as to be meaningless. .
He did not choose to notify the membership of anything, either by using the checkbox or by posting a separate message about his uploads.

He is not unique in taking a rather haphazard approach to making sure that uploads "make sense". I only found out about this uploading because I was looking in the Activity Log for something else entirely.

While I can understand the point about members being informed about edits, relocations and so on I cannot see any reason why I should have to "defend" myself for wanting to maintain some sense of order in our Photos section or anywhere else, especially when we have had a group wiki page about this sort of random uploading in existence for months.

I am still firmly of the view that moderators not only have the right but a duty to try to maintain order in a group's limited storage without having to explain their actions in detail on each and every occasion. It's also the sort of problem where the longer it's left the harder it is to do.

Chris

moderated Re: Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Peter Rawbone
 

Hello Bob et al,

We’re a basic group and obviously don’t have the luxury a the map element (we would love it, incidentally!) and I understand your concern.

However, I’m sure that Mark with all his expertise will be able to resolve the issue mKing us all happy bunnies.

Stay safe
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Peter

moderated Re: Photo search and clean up of the photos pages

 

[Mod note: Added #suggestion hashtag]
If you did, it's not showing up on the web site. #bug

JohnF

moderated Feature survey #tosender

 

Hi All,

I'm on vacation this week, but I had a question for you that will help set me priorities for the rest of the year. Here it is:

What's the most important feature that you need for your group that we don't currently have?

No guarantees about whether I'll be able to address it, and I'll be prioritizing features that would most appropriately belong in the paid plans.

Replies to this message are set to go only to me.

Thanks, Mark

moderated Re: Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Peter, et al,
The List view of the database works fin on lap tops, etc BUT, for paid groups, the Map view does not work correctly;
it scrolls the map and titles completely off the screen

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Bob Bellizzi

moderated Re: Photo search and clean up of the photos pages

Terry Slattery
 

This is an old thread, but is on-topic for my query...

I just tried searching Photos and Messages for posts by an individual using their Member name. The name is not one of the fields that is used for the search. Searching Messages has a Tools button that includes "Exclude Signatures", which is not checked.

Is it reasonable to ask for a Tools item to include the poster's name in the search fields?

[Mod note: Added #suggestion hashtag]

moderated Re: Testing notifications #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 06:02 AM, Lena wrote:
From what I can see, the subject tag was always sent on email notifications so
that hasn't changed.
Email notifications of pending messages and members hadn't subject tag but had group name in From. Now group name is in both From and Subject. I ask to remove subject tag in email notifications of pending messages and members.
OK - I see which ones you're referring to now. I thought you were talking about the new notifications for database and wiki changes etc.

I think having the tag in the email subject is good and with that, we don't really need the email address of the group at the end of the subject as that is normally in the From field.

I have an email rule in Outlook that looks for the string "groups.io Notification" in the message headers and that seems to work OK in allowing me to divert these types of message from any group to another folder.

Regards,
Andy

moderated Re: Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Peter Rawbone
 

Mark & Andy,

Andy's problem doesn't occur in a database (>200 entries) in either my Safari or Firefox devices as shown below:-



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Peter

moderated Re: Testing notifications #misc

 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:00 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

From what I can see, the subject tag was always sent on email notifications so
that hasn't changed.
Email notifications of pending messages and members hadn't subject tag but had group name in From. Now group name is in both From and Subject. I ask to remove subject tag in email notifications of pending messages and members.

moderated Re: Testing notifications #misc

 

Mark,

All notification titles now are prefixed by the group's subject tag.
...
Now they look so much more like ordinary group messages.
And this has broken at least one moderator's email filters, sending actionable mod notifications off into the "later" folder with group messages:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/32492

Shal

moderated Re: Create +mute, +follow, and +unfollow group addresses, use in message footers. #suggestion

 

J,

Would that run a ... risk that people who get hold of an email ... but
are [not] the actual original recipient ... could act on that
recipient's account?
No.

To do anything of the sort they'd have to forge the original recipient's From address. If they can do that then they can use any of the email addresses, including +unsubscribe. This vulnerability is closed off by the fact that all such "email commands" (I call them) send a confirmation request with reply required.

Shal

moderated Re: Create +mute, +follow, and +unfollow group addresses, use in message footers. #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 09:41 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
but are the actual original recipient
typo, should read: "but are not the actual original recipient"
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

moderated Re: Create +mute, +follow, and +unfollow group addresses, use in message footers. #suggestion

 

Would that run a (previously mentioned) risk that people who get hold of an email (e.g., through forwarding) but are the actual original recipient (or even group members, possibly) could act on that recipient's account?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

moderated Create +mute, +follow, and +unfollow group addresses, use in message footers. #suggestion

 

Mark,

One of the complaints about the notification overhaul is that many members are email-only, and have no way to mute undesired notifications. The links in message footers are not a solution because they are web links, and one must log in to complete the action.

Granted that logging in is very easy with Groups.io, many members refuse or are extremely reluctant to do so, seeing it as an unnecessary imposition on their enjoyment of group messages.

Converting the message footer links to mailto: links, using new group addresses +mute, +follow, and +unfollow seems like a workable solution to these concerns. The topic number or hashtag in question can be put in the Subject text of the created message.

Shal

moderated Re: Testing notifications #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:07 AM, Lena wrote:
For this reason I dislike the group's subject tag in _moderator_ notifications. Group name in From was enough.
Hi Lena

the group subject tag was added to the push notifications as without it, it was not possible to determine which group it was from:

Before:


After:



From what I can see, the subject tag was always sent on email notifications so that hasn't changed.

Regards
Andy

moderated Re: Testing notifications #misc

 

All notification titles now are prefixed by the group's subject tag.
Hm... That will take some getting used to. Not saying it is a bad idea.
Now they look so much more like ordinary group messages.
For this reason I dislike the group's subject tag in _moderator_ notifications. Group name in From was enough.

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Lena

moderated Re: Notifications about your own actions #misc

 

Not sure about this one, but I just got a web/app notification of a new member, when I was the one who approved the new member. So do we want this? Again, it's nothing I can't live with but seems disconcerting. I was the one who did the approval action, but the description is along the lines of "there's a new member" and doesn't directly mention the approval.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

moderated Database column headers obscuring description text #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

the changes to fix the column header row now obscure the description text if it is multi-line. If there are just 2 or 3 lines of description text, the 'show less' link is also obscured:



Regards,
Andy