Hello Mark,

Many thanks, just what I hoped for.  Thanks for getting my drift!

Enjoy the weekend
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Peter

Hi Mark,

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:52 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

The web notifications are transient: here and gone on my screen in a few seconds. They don't need combining because they don't build up anywhere.

Apart from the Windows 10 Action Centre where you can control how many you want and their priority:



Regards,
Andy

Tested on iPad - works in Chrome, but not in Safari. Will test on a „real“ computer later :-)

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 06:40 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

Then the originator decides when he/she is "done enough" to notify the rest of the members.

A provision for the originator to click OK; I'm finished, Send Notification would be just about ideal! :)

Chris

Chris,

The only solutions ... would be one in which the notification was sent
after (say) 10 minutes *in*activity on the part of the originator, or
perhaps one whereby the originator was prompted by /Send Notification
Now?/ somewhere.

A simpler solution would be to keep the "Notify Members" checkboxes where they are, and implement them where they aren't. Then the originator decides when he/she is "done enough" to notify the rest of the members.

Shal

I'm so sad you'll be mad but it doesn't work in that mode sorry thanks for fixing it in list mode
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Bob Bellizzi

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 04:04 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

NEW: When viewing a database table, pin the header at the top of the page.

titles still scroll up and disappear in both list and map modes
 
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Bob Bellizzi

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 06:04 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

NEW: When viewing a database table, pin the header at the top of the page.

Not working for me.  Tried 4 different tables on 2 groups. (Win7 with Firefox)

Thanks,
Duane

Changes to the site this week:

• CHANGE: Various moderator email and push notification cleanups.
• NEW: When viewing a database table, pin the header at the top of the page.
• BUGFIX: When deleting a database row from the /table view, we did not log that in the activity log.
• NEW: New Moderator Notifications for changes to Chats/Photos/Files/Wikis/Databases. Currently in testing.

Note: I will be on vacation next week, although I plan on enabling the new moderator notifications for everyone on Monday if there are no issues found during testing over the weekend.

Take care everyone.

Mark

When a user has the Following Only radio button selected on the Advanced Preferences screen, they should be able to follow a topic by clicking on a "Follow" button at the bottom of each message.

Currently, there's a Follow link in emails, but not elsewhere, AFAIK.

This was discussed last fall here: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/46661487?p=Created,,,20,2,0,0. 

Tom 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 06:05 AM, Peter Rawbone wrote:

Is it possible to ‘freeze’ the top row of a database a la Excel etc?  It is particularly irksome when editing or viewing an entry and then wondering what the column is?  If you get my drift.

Done.

Cheers, Mark

Andy,

Which sort of comes back to Chris' point that the notifications work
in different ways

Vive la différence!

The underlying mechanisms are in fact different in a relevant way.

The email notifications stack up in my Inbox all day long until I get around to looking; hence the reaction people had in the first day about they and their members being "bombarded", "flooded", and other descriptions of an undesirable excess of notifications.

The web notifications are transient: here and gone on my screen in a few seconds. They don't need combining because they don't build up anywhere. I'm not sure how the app notifications will be, hopefully they won't stack up in the notification bar.

That said, I think the combiner could be modified to have an immediate "first out" if that were desirable. I had advocated such a thing, but I'm no longer so concerned about it. It would preserve immediacy in a low-activity group, but it might add to the overall complexity and apparent inconsistency of Groups.io behavior.

Shal

Mark,

All notification titles now are prefixed by the group's subject tag.

Hm... That will take some getting used to. Not saying it is a bad idea.

Now they look so much more like ordinary group messages. By eye my first reaction to my Inbox was "how did all these messages post without approval notifications?" It took a moment to realize half of them /were/ notifications, not messages.

I'd almost recommend including "Notice:" in that prefix, but that seems a bit heavyweight. "Note:"? "Nt:"? Is there a standard abbreviation or latin import that would suit? "nb:" is almost right.

Shal

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:03 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

By virtue of the fact that notifications by email are effectively being held back by the combiner then yes, they are being delayed. If the combiner wasn't there, they would be sent immediately. 

Ah; I see the point you are making.

However, having thought about it over lunch, I have come to the conclusion that from my perspective it really doesn't matter. I honestly cannot see why a delay - reportedly 4 minutes - makes any difference at all. If OTOH it helps cut down the number of individual notifications about the same subject then I'm all for it, and that explains why I suggested in my earlier post that 4 minutes might not be long enough. 

A notification delay doesn't even make it into the list of Top Twenty Things That Annoy Me. (FWIW nothing about Groups.io makes it into that list!)

I am "out" for some of the time on most days, but of course that means I don't see things that happen on Groups.io in real time. It really doesn't matter if I have to play catch - up later.

In what way is life diminished by any such delay?

Chris

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:15 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

But is there any evidence that suggests Groups.io is slowing down email deliveries,

By virtue of the fact that notifications by email are effectively being held back by the combiner then yes, they are being delayed. If the combiner wasn't there, they would be sent immediately.  I understand that once Groups.io has actually deigned to transmit an email it's down to the vagaries of the internet,

Andy

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:57 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

I think having a choice of whether I want a push notification or an email (or both) is great; slowing down the delivery of emails (unless the receiver is in control) is not.

But is there any evidence that suggests Groups.io is slowing down email deliveries, even taking into account your other points about possible delays due to polling differences? Every now and then some emails seem to be held up somewhere along the route; on occasions I have had messages turn up post - moderation before the (email) notification that there was something awaiting moderation put in an appearance.

Yes; it's a bit annoying but c'est la vie... <shrug>

Chris

PS to Mark; thanks for turning my push notifications on; I got the first one this morning. For some reason the group I moderate has gone super - quiet in the last few days so I had to wait for something to happen. A nice, clear, clean, unmistakeable appearance. :)