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Re: Testing notifications
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 02:37 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
I was concerned with the first-out delay time introduced by the combiner, but now I think I may be fine with it, given that push notifications are still immediate. Which sort of comes back to Chris' point that the notifications work in different ways https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25572
Regards, Andy
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Re: Testing notifications
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Mark,
Yup. But this is wrong for a wholly different reason... > To: Shals2nd"s Display Name <shals2nd@...> > From: main@shalstest.groups.io Notification <main@shalstest.groups.io> > Subject: [shalstest] File /Never had a folder before./0-stories.txt uploaded You knew I had to try it. Amusingly it seems to have revealed a bug in Thunderbird: I'm not sure but it looks like it thought the quote lead in a qtext that slurped up the email address proper, leaving the email address part empty. Didn't fool Gmail's web interface though: Shal
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Re: Testing notifications
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 7:34 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Should be fixed now. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Testing notifications
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Mark,
The new moderator notifications have been turned on for those who#bug In my test group my display name has an apostrophe in it. And, well, yeah: To: Shals2nd's Display Name <shals2nd@gmail.com>Gotta love HTML. Shal
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Re: Testing notifications
#misc
Andy,
I don't like this combiner approach with a 4 minute delay. It seems toOTOH if you want immediacy you can enable it as a web/app notification. That's even faster than prompt email delivery. https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25544 Of course, that won't help you (yet) when using the mobile app. I was concerned with the first-out delay time introduced by the combiner, but now I think I may be fine with it, given that push notifications are still immediate. Shal
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Re: Testing notifications
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Agree 110% with Andy. I haven’t followed the conversation about aggregation but now reading that the notifications are going to be blunted (great word) like this, I’m really shaking my head. I think it’s the wrong approach. Like Andy says: if you don’t like them, turn them off.
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On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:20 PM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Testing notifications
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:54 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
now sent through the combiner,I don't like this combiner approach with a 4 minute delay. It seems to me that we have a sharp new system to send out immediate notifications and then we blunt that by delaying them. If I want the notifications, I want them almost immediately, if I don't I should have the ability to turn them off. Earlier, a member in one of my subgroups updated a database. He then emailed me off list to confirm he'd made a change and his email arrived before the Groups.io notification, making that notification pointless. If the combiner delay was something more reasonable, say 30 seconds, that would be better as I can understand the need to combine some quick-fire changes into one notice, however, 4 minutes is way to long me and I'd rather have the option to turn the combiner off than have that. Regards, Andy
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Re: Notifications about your own actions
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:15 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Yes and yes. (No it's not confusing.;)Whoa, that did not make sense. I meant to say yes to the first, no to the second. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Notifications about your own actions
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:17 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
email and push notifications behave differentlySo do cats and dogs. :) -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Notifications about your own actions
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Chris Jones
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 06:45 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
For pending messages, pending subscriptions, spam resub, join group, and create subgroup moderator notifications, if your action generated the notification, you will not receive a push notification. You will continue to receive an email notification.I can see the logic to this, however the result is that overall email and push notifications behave differently. Anyone used to email notifications only (i.e. the existing system) will see one set of actions / responses but if they change to using push notifications only they will get a different set. This may (will?) lead to confusion. A notification of any action, even if instigated by "me" has the advantage that it tells the me that "Groups.io has done what you wanted". Chris
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Re: Notifications about your own actions
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Hi All, I've changed the push notifications policy as follows: For pending messages, pending subscriptions, spam resub, join group, and create subgroup moderator notifications, if your action generated the notification, you will not receive a push notification. You will continue to receive an email notification. For spam unsubscribe notifications, you will continue to receive push notifications for your own spam unsubscribes. For storage overage notifications, since they aren't generated necessarily by a single person/action, you will continue to receive those push notifications regardless. Again, this only affects push notifications, and only if you have them set up. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Notifications about your own actions
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Yes and yes. (No it's not confusing.;)
-- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Notifications about your own actions
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Hi All, The existing moderator notifications (pending subscriber/message/etc) are always sent to the appropriate moderators, both email and push notifications (if you have them configured). When I set up the new moderator notifications (create a chat/add file/etc), I set it so that if you were the person doing the thing that triggered the notification (ie you were the one that uploaded the photo), that you would not receive the notification, either as an email or push notification. I have a couple of questions, triggered by J's request: - Should I extend that change to the existing moderator notifications? - Should the policy instead be that email moderator notifications are always sent, but push notifications are not sent in the case where you did the thing that generated the notification? Hopefully this isn't too confusing.... Thanks, Mark
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Re: Testing notifications
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This morning I removed the hashtags from the new moderator notifications. My thinking was that these notifications aren't controlled by hashtag muting, so having the hashtags would be confusing. And it matches our existing moderator notifications, which have never had hashtags. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Testing notifications
#misc
On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 10:42 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Note that moderator notifications are not sent to you if you did the action that caused the notification.Mark, I am getting web/app notifications whenever I post a message, because I have myself on moderation so that I can edit my messages (and to make sure I didn't send them to the wrong place). While I can live with this, I do find it a bit disconcerting every time. :) Is there a way to fix this? -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Notify Members checkboxes
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Sandi D <sandi.asgtechie@...>
"Up until now the owners/mods determine if something reaches the
attention of the members." I would like to clarify the above sentence. If I as a mod make an edit I would like to have continued control over whether or not my action reaches the attention of those in my group. Much of my wiki edits are "clean up". It's a waste of time to notify everyone when I clean something up and then spend more time in answering posts asking me what had changed or they can't find the "new" information. It sounds like Mark may understand that aspect. I do understand that I am fortunate to have only one area impacted but that one area created a 3 day "migraine" for myself and a headache for the members of my group. Shal's interim fix and then Mark's temporary one worked perfectly for my need. I am very appreciative and hope Mark's permanent solution does the same. -- Sandi Dickenson ASG Volunteers Group.
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Re: Notify Members checkboxes
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Chris Jones
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 08:06 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
The only other option is (I think) that a moderator did the edit. I would want the member to be notified in that case, you and other group owners/mods may disagree.Again I can see the validity of this view, although I am not entirely convinced! It raises an issue of "what is an edit?" A change of album / photo name? The addition of (or change to) the descriptive text? (Silly but valid case... correction of a spelling mistake!) Unless the notification includes some detail what has been edited may be less than clear, leading to "what has been done, what is this notification actually telling me? Chris
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Re: Notify Members checkboxes
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Chris,
I am also concious that the more "individual" notifications that thereThat's in the group's Hashtags page already. The member sees a Mute/Notify button (grid view) or link (list view). That brings up a page where the member can choose whether to receive the related notifications by email (Mute or not) and choose to opt-in to Web/App notification (immediate "push" notifications). Members who've chosen the Following Only setting for Message Selection (the Advanced Preferences panel in their Subscription page) will see Follow/Notify instead. This raises another issue; someone chooses not to receive informationThat's an interesting case. If it was they themself that did the edit I'd say no notification is needed. The only other option is (I think) that a moderator did the edit. I would want the member to be notified in that case, you and other group owners/mods may disagree. Shal
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Re: Testing notifications
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Mark,
Please let me know if you have any questions or see anything amiss.One thing that stood out on a recent #wiki-notice was the "Integration" badge in the Pending list. I don't think that was there before, so I'll blame the combiner for it. Shal
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Re: Testing notifications
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Hi All, The new moderator notifications have been turned on for those who asked. There are also a couple changes that have just gone live for all: - The notifications generated when a member checks a `Notify Members` checkbox are also now sent through the combiner, so they won't immediately appear in your group. If multiple notifications of the same kind are generated quickly, they will be merged into one email. Also, these notifications no longer have the 'Cheers, Groups.io Team' signature. The new per-moderator notifications now being tested work the same way. - In the Subscription and group members pages, the `Notifications` panel has been renamed `Moderator Notifications`. Please let me know if you have any questions or see anything amiss. Thanks, Mark
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