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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 05:31 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Not quite. My point is that a moderator should have the option of not even originating a notification, whatever the member might select. cf now; if I upload a photo I can choose to send a notification or not; I want and need (as a moderator) the ability to edit an archive without notifications being generated.

As a general rule (and this is matter of personal choice) I will announce a tidy - up before it happens, and may later identify what has been rationalised as a result, but without specifying what I may have deleted / moved / edited in the process.
OK. That makes sense and I would typically follow the process you outlined too.

Andy


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

sorry to nickel and dime this, but also, row updated
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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

Row added.


On Jun 22, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:27 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I'd generally say no, except add/modify photo album. 


Should the photo notification setting be separate from the album notification setting? My gut says no, but want to make sure.

Also, I forgot database notifications, which don't exist anywhere right now. Would you want to know when a row was added, or just when a database was created?

My thinking with aggregation is that when an email notification is generated, I'll wait N minutes to send it out to see if any additional, similar email notifications are generated. If so, I'll combine them.


Thanks,
Mark 

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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:27 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I'd generally say no, except add/modify photo album. 


Should the photo notification setting be separate from the album notification setting? My gut says no, but want to make sure.

Also, I forgot database notifications, which don't exist anywhere right now. Would you want to know when a row was added, or just when a database was created?

My thinking with aggregation is that when an email notification is generated, I'll wait N minutes to send it out to see if any additional, similar email notifications are generated. If so, I'll combine them.


Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:57 AM billsf9c via groups.io <OOWONBS=Netscape.net@groups.io> wrote:

Rather than see Likes, etc, a month of data was given to include a bar hraph, about the posts. What posts drew 73% of the members viewership, 42, 18, whatever... was a main aspect.

I don't anticipate adding something like this, as it'd require tracking pixels on the emails we send out. Which I'm not a fan of.

Mark 


moderated Re: Databases #suggestion #done

Bob Bellizzi
 

There is also a more detailed list of my requests at 
#24250 dated Feb 19, 2020

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

billsf9c
 


> I think also when I'm adding these new per-moderator notifications, I will add 2 per-subscriber notifications: notifications when someone likes a message, and notifications when someone posts to a chat their subscribed to, but not currently viewing.
Mark

This and now and then, I remember an eGroups function, called, 'Traffic.'

Rather than see Likes, etc, a month of data was given to include a bar hraph, about the posts. What posts drew 73% of the members viewership, 42, 18, whatever... was a main aspect. Which pisters derw what Reply-count or caused a Topus repky count if repkies were to their original or not. Mods can use this to really see what trends are of more interest, (who to make a mod,) and divide their research/work/support, proportionately, to drive list quality and audience appreciation.

Like databases, which I liked, (and for which I developed tricks to extend the 10 column limits etc,) few owners made use of it, so it was dropped. But I even sometimes pointed out to membership what seemed popular. They seemed to make use of it to join in or support their 'causes' more ardantly.

I'd hope you wouldn't develope it and give it only to Enterprises, but truely, no Enterprise should be without it.

BillSF9c
 


moderated Re: Databases #suggestion #done

Bob Bellizzi
 

Hey, J,
I've made it pretty clear more than once.
I feel that Database operability is more important that all the effort on Notifications.
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moderated Re: Databases #suggestion #done

Bob Bellizzi
 

YES! As I also requested in my message 20604. along with a couple of other handy dandy
changes to Databases, viz
I would like to get some feedback on my other suggestions for Database changes that were made in the
#Suggestion message number 24250, especially the ability to "force view mode or map mode upon opening by the database owner and also as a permanent setting.
Is there a way that the column titles would stay in place when one scrolls down through a database?


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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

Agree with Chris.


On Jun 22, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 05:15 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that a Moderator can control whether a member can opt to receive notifications for things like photo edit/move/delete actions?
Not quite. My point is that a moderator should have the option of not even originating a notification, whatever the member might select. cf now; if I upload a photo I can choose to send a notification or not; I want and need (as a moderator) the ability to edit an archive without notifications being generated.

As a general rule (and this is matter of personal choice) I will announce a tidy - up before it happens, and may later identify what has been rationalised as a result, but without specifying what I may have deleted / moved / edited in the process.

Chris

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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 05:15 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that a Moderator can control whether a member can opt to receive notifications for things like photo edit/move/delete actions?
Not quite. My point is that a moderator should have the option of not even originating a notification, whatever the member might select. cf now; if I upload a photo I can choose to send a notification or not; I want and need (as a moderator) the ability to edit an archive without notifications being generated.

As a general rule (and this is matter of personal choice) I will announce a tidy - up before it happens, and may later identify what has been rationalised as a result, but without specifying what I may have deleted / moved / edited in the process.

Chris


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Only if that notification is optional on my part as a moderator.
Chris,

if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that a Moderator can control whether a member can opt to receive notifications for things like photo edit/move/delete actions?  That would work for me.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 09:05 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
<slight shudder>
Totally agree with the shudder factor. I would object strongly to members being notified of any deletion of their content. That's up to moderators. Notifying them of edits to their messages is one thing; deletions is another thing altogether.  I somehow missed this and I think adding it would be a HUGE mistake.
 
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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:27 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
And as mentioned before, for those that don't post I'd like the member whose content is affected (including deletes) to receive an off-list notice.
<slight shudder>

Only if that notification is optional on my part as a moderator.

Two reasons; I don't want anything I do to tidy up (say) Photos to generate a blizzard of notifications (even to just one member), and I don't want to have to fend off the "why did you edit, move, delete, whatever such and such" messages that are likely to accrue as a result of a rationalisation process.

With Files and Photos counting towards a group's storage allowance then judgement over what to keep and what to discard has to rest with group moderators and territorial disputes over what material is retained and what isn't must not be encouraged, and sending members detailed notifications about what has happened to their material is, IMHO, just inviting those disputes to happen.

Chris


moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 08:27 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
This one probably needs two options: notify me of any like, and notify me of a like on my content.
Good idea.
 
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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

Mark,

2) Should those actions be included in the new per-moderator
notifications?
Definitely yes.

1) Should I add those as notifications that group members can send
when performing those actions, with `Notify Members` checkboxes?
I'd generally say no, except add/modify photo album. And as mentioned before, for those that don't post I'd like the member whose content is affected (including deletes) to receive an off-list notice.

... I will add 2 per-subscriber notifications: notifications when
someone likes a message,
This one probably needs two options: notify me of any like, and notify me of a like on my content.

Given that Likes are intended as light-weight alternatives to "me too" postings, we can expect (hope?) that there would be a lot of them. This one is probably the poster child for aggregating notices.

and notifications when someone posts to a chat their subscribed to,
but not currently viewing.
That's a good idea you have they're.

Shal


moderated Re: Your Subscription link in email footer opens other account subscription page #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 01:55 PM, Jim Wilson wrote:
to properly replicate a real-world scenario.
My real-world scenario involves me being logged in with 3 different accounts at the same time on 3 different browser tabs, I don't need to logout to switch accounts, I just switch tabs.

Andy


moderated Re: Databases #suggestion #done

 

Yes! Second that! I've requested it in the past but don't think I made the request very clear.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 6:05 AM Peter Rawbone <pjr@...> wrote:
Is it possible to ‘freeze’ the top row of a database a la Excel etc?  It is particularly irksome when editing or viewing an entry and then wondering what the column is?  If you get my drift.

Stay safe
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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 07:03 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
would that be "all" likes or just those applicable to the individual member whose post has been "liked"? Either way IMHO it would have to be a notification that the individual members could switch off should they so wish as per my previous post.
I'm assuming just the individual member and that it would be an option that could be switched off.
 
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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 02:55 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I like notifications for Likes.
I certainly don't object, but would that be "all" likes or just those applicable to the individual member whose post has been "liked"? Either way IMHO it would have to be a notification that the individual members could switch off should they so wish as per my previous post.

I see no reason to allow members to notify the group for content deletions, but I do think those should go to moderators.
Agreed.

Chris

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