On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:27 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

And as mentioned before, for those that don't post I'd like the member whose content is affected (including deletes) to receive an off-list notice.

<slight shudder>

Only if that notification is optional on my part as a moderator.

Two reasons; I don't want anything I do to tidy up (say) Photos to generate a blizzard of notifications (even to just one member), and I don't want to have to fend off the "why did you edit, move, delete, whatever such and such" messages that are likely to accrue as a result of a rationalisation process.

With Files and Photos counting towards a group's storage allowance then judgement over what to keep and what to discard has to rest with group moderators and territorial disputes over what material is retained and what isn't must not be encouraged, and sending members detailed notifications about what has happened to their material is, IMHO, just inviting those disputes to happen.

Chris

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 08:27 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

This one probably needs two options: notify me of any like, and notify me of a like on my content.

Good idea.
 
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Mark,

2) Should those actions be included in the new per-moderator
notifications?

Definitely yes.

1) Should I add those as notifications that group members can send
when performing those actions, with `Notify Members` checkboxes?

I'd generally say no, except add/modify photo album. And as mentioned before, for those that don't post I'd like the member whose content is affected (including deletes) to receive an off-list notice.

... I will add 2 per-subscriber notifications: notifications when
someone likes a message,

This one probably needs two options: notify me of any like, and notify me of a like on my content.

Given that Likes are intended as light-weight alternatives to "me too" postings, we can expect (hope?) that there would be a lot of them. This one is probably the poster child for aggregating notices.

and notifications when someone posts to a chat their subscribed to,
but not currently viewing.

That's a good idea you have they're.

Shal

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 01:55 PM, Jim Wilson wrote:

to properly replicate a real-world scenario.

My real-world scenario involves me being logged in with 3 different accounts at the same time on 3 different browser tabs, I don't need to logout to switch accounts, I just switch tabs.

Andy

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 07:03 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

would that be "all" likes or just those applicable to the individual member whose post has been "liked"? Either way IMHO it would have to be a notification that the individual members could switch off should they so wish as per my previous post.

I'm assuming just the individual member and that it would be an option that could be switched off.
 
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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 02:55 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I like notifications for Likes.

I certainly don't object, but would that be "all" likes or just those applicable to the individual member whose post has been "liked"? Either way IMHO it would have to be a notification that the individual members could switch off should they so wish as per my previous post.

I see no reason to allow members to notify the group for content deletions, but I do think those should go to moderators.

Agreed.

Chris

I like notifications for Likes. I see no reason to allow members to notify the group for content deletions, but I do think those should go to moderators.
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Is it possible to ‘freeze’ the top row of a database a la Excel etc?  It is particularly irksome when editing or viewing an entry and then wondering what the column is?  If you get my drift.

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I agree this is a bug since the system should have noticed the link for "Your Subscription" (which contains the id number of the intended subscriber constructed as https://groups.io/g/[group name]/editsub/[id number]) was for a different subscriber number than the account that was currently logged on. I would say an automatic logout would be appropriate for safety and security reasons.

However, after sending the message from the 'owner' account for testing purposes, one should log out before opening an email intended for a 'member' account to properly replicate a real-world scenario.

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On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 06:41 AM, Chris Jones wrote:

A further thought about Polls; a Poll is a message with a specific question included, and as such is not a notification in the same way as an upload is. I would not want members to be able to suppress awareness of a  Poll by any means whatsoever. Choosing not to respond to a Poll is one thing; choosing not to know about it is another thing entirely. IMHO #poll-notice should not be a notification.

We do need to keep a clear view regarding which of the existing system hashtags are intrinsic to the effective operation of groups.io. We've already mentioned #cal-reminder and #cal-notice in that context, and I agree with Chris that #poll-notice (and possibly #chat-notice) are in the same category.

That said, members should continue to be allowed to mute these hashtags if they so desire.

Regards,
Bruce

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:56 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Right now the following notifications are missing: delete file/photo/wiki page, close chat, add/modify/delete photo album. 

 

1) Should I add those as notifications that group members can send when performing those actions, with `Notify Members` checkboxes? 

I'm getting rather loud alarm bells now with the list of Notifications growing. I'm still mulling over the question of Notifications to Moderators but I can see that notifications to members could become contentious.

To my way of thinking with the list likely to become quite long it will be impossible for group owners (inc Moderators) to set up a one - size - fits - all notification scheme with the only balanced solution being the ability of individual members to be able to select the notifications that they want to receive from a pick list in the same way as they can select their (message) email deliveries now.

In addition, with many individuals being members of several groups if the decision is made by Owners then members will find different criteria applied in different groups when they would prefer to select notifications to meet their own individual requirements.

At the moment I cannot see a better solution to "the notification problem" than to put the decision in the hands of the recipients rather than group managers.

At the same time I, as a moderator, want or even need the ability to tidy up a Files or Photos section without generating a blizzard of notifications as a result. Left to themselves members can make an untidy and uncoordinated mess of Files and Photos and it occasionally needs moderator intervention to try to restore some sense of order. Excessively granular notification of uploads, deletions, edits (inc relocations) will just serve to generate frustration amongst a group's members so that has to be a way for a moderator to rework archive contents without triggering a notification at every turn.

A further thought about Polls; a Poll is a message with a specific question included, and as such is not a notification in the same way as an upload is. I would not want members to be able to suppress awareness of a  Poll by any means whatsoever. Choosing not to respond to a Poll is one thing; choosing not to know about it is another thing entirely. IMHO #poll-notice should not be a notification.

Chris

Hi Mark,

this may be an anomaly due to the way I'm testing but I thought I'd mention it anyway.

From my 'owner' account using the web UI I send a message to my testing subgroup. When I open the email received by my 'member' account in that group and click on the Your Subscription link in the footer, I get a new Browser tab (I'm using FF) showing the subscription options for my 'owner' account.

If I initially click on the Follow This Topic link in the footer, it detects that this relates to a different account and I get presented with a login screen for that. It's the initial click on Your Subscription where this account detection mechanism doesn't seem to work.

Regards,
Andy

Hi Mark,

When searching my main group activity log (All Activity) for an action 'Changed display name' the latest entry shows that a member changed their name on Jun 10. What is not shown is that I, as an owner, changed it again on Jun 15.

It seems that the Member Activity filter is being applied to the initial search even though All Activity was selected.

Regards,
Andy

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 09:43 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

When uploading files, the checkbox to notify the group is now checked by default.

Didn't this one get changed back?
 
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On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 11:43 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

• NEW: Added notifications for new photos uploaded and wiki additions/changes. Added the #file-notify hashtag to file upload notifications.
• CHANGE: When uploading files, the checkbox to notify the group is now checked by default.

I believe the correct name is #file-notice (based on a test.)  And Notify Members is back to unchecked as default, at least temporarily.

Duane

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 11:10 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

on the Chats screen, a count of unread messages in the same way that the number of pending messages or subscription requests are shown.

Hmm. It seems that feature already exists. I may not have refreshed my browser page as I thought.

Andy