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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Agreed. There has to be a way to turn each notification off, either completely, and/or per action (as with uploading files), and/or sending just to moderators. Preferably all of those options. 

The choice of “no email” for a regular hashtag is an example of square peg - round hole. It has a completely different meaning (and effect) for these notification tags. “Locked” and “moderated” and other settings also don’t really apply in any meaningful way. I think “notification tags“ should be completely separate objects, not regular hashtags, with their own settings etc. 


On Jun 18, 2020, at 4:09 AM, Sandi D <sandi.asgtechie@...> wrote:

In scrolling down the replies to this thread I don't see if there is a way for wiki edit notifications to reach only mods and owners. 

I don't want everyone in my group getting a wiki notification for every spelling and grammar error that I correct. Or for fixing a broken link. 

This is coming at a bad time as I was in the process of proofing our wiki. 

Thanks. 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

Sandi D
 

In scrolling down the replies to this thread I don't see if there is a way for wiki edit notifications to reach only mods and owners. 

I don't want everyone in my group getting a wiki notification for every spelling and grammar error that I correct. Or for fixing a broken link. 

This is coming at a bad time as I was in the process of proofing our wiki. 

Thanks. 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Jean

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:15 AM, Jean Bennett wrote:
clicked to be taken to the photo and got a 404 error
this was reported earlier in this topic and Mark mentioned it had been fixed for new notifications https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25391

If your message with the link was generated before Mark fixed the problem you will still get a 404 error.  If you upload a new photo and get a new notification and link it should be OK now.

Cheers
Andy


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Jean Bennett
 

Mark—First, my extreme gratitude for the rollout of notifications. Got the first notification of an uploaded photo, and then clicked to be taken to the photo and got a 404 error that the photo wasn’t there (it is). Probably just a bug. I can send you the notification if you need it.

Jean


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 02:00 AM, Shal Farley wrote:
GMF has that problem with #wiki already, and has near misses with the other two (#files and #photos).
On one of my groups, I had a tag named #File that I've changed to #Files.  If I hadn't, no telling how it would have reacted with the notification system.

Duane


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:51 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
Failing groups.io doing it, there should be a list somewhere, maybe in the documentation, about exactly what notification hashtags are available.
As the number of system hashtags seems to be growing, it would also be help to have them clearly identified on the hashtags page - perhaps by listing them in a separate block.

Andy


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

* Creating or modifying a wiki page now generates a #wiki
* Uploading photos to an album now generates #photo
* The existing file notification now comes tagged with a #file
I'm concerned about the name space collision with user-generated and used hashtags of the same names. This wasn't a big problem with the calendar events as those tags have a distinct form that's unlikely to be used for ordinary message postings.

Granted GMF and Group_Help are unusual cases, but those three nouns seem way too likely to collide with something a member might use. GMF has that problem with #wiki already, and has near misses with the other two (#files and #photos).

Given that these new ones aren't intended to be used by members, I don't think it would be a bad thing to make them hyphenated also, as in
#file-notice, #photo-notice, and #wiki-notice or something of the sort. Not quite the same semantics as #cal-notice, but close enough.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

My expectation is that most people won't use the `Web/App Notify`
functionality;
Most people no, but moderators who moderate by web might well use them as a prompt to go see what happened. As a primarily email user I'll be getting push notices for them from my email interface.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

One thing I'm curious about is whether I need to aggregate these
notifications if they are generated within a certain limited time
period. ... I'm curious to know if that will be a common occurrence.
Seems like something your database could answer. My "why don't they just" moment: query for all page updates, group by page, compute the interval between updates, histogram the results.

This is something I was thinking about earlier. There is a tension between the desire for timely notification and a desire not to be flooded. One possibility would be to generally aggregate them, but make an exception for an update when there has not been a prior update within that limited time period; in that case post the notification immediately.

So for example, if the wiki were to have a burst of updates the first notice would go out immediately, but subsequent ones would be gathered and report something like "n more updates in the last [time period]".

I don't really have a good answer for how long that time period should be. More than a minute, less than a day seems obvious to me. Perhaps one hour would be a reasonable compromise.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 08:43 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
all in one screen
I see the fallacy of this proposal now. The second screen is for non-mods to mute etc. I'm giving up and going to bed. :)
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Thinking about it further (always dangerous), it’s also a weird UI thing. The settings for a notification tag are spread around in more than one screen, yet can affect each other. I am wondering about there being a special kind of tag called a notification tag. It would have a different set of edit options from a regular tag, but they would be all in one screen. And included would be the ability to *not* send that particular notification to the group at all (email or web), and possibly just to moderators. 


On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:39 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:30 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
this is not a bug because it is not emailed.
However, I notice that the push notification only goes out if the notification *is* emailed, which is the reason that even after I checked the Edit link thing, I still got no push notification. So if email for a notification hashtag is disabled, then push notifications are automatically disabled, yet the notification is still sent to the group. Is that the desired behavior? Somehow I think not, but I'm going to get off this subject for awhile. :)
 

That is not the desired behavior. I'll look into it tomorrow.

Thanks,
Mark 

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:39 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:30 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
this is not a bug because it is not emailed.
However, I notice that the push notification only goes out if the notification *is* emailed, which is the reason that even after I checked the Edit link thing, I still got no push notification. So if email for a notification hashtag is disabled, then push notifications are automatically disabled, yet the notification is still sent to the group. Is that the desired behavior? Somehow I think not, but I'm going to get off this subject for awhile. :)
 

That is not the desired behavior. I'll look into it tomorrow.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:51 PM Janice <jbahrt@...> wrote:
I received a notification that a member had added three new photos.  Inside the message were three links to the photos.  When I clicked on a link, I received a404 error message.  Another member reported the same thing.  I am using Chrome as my browser.

Links should be fixed now (in new notifications).

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Janice
 

I received a notification that a member had added three new photos.  Inside the message were three links to the photos.  When I clicked on a link, I received a404 error message.  Another member reported the same thing.  I am using Chrome as my browser.

Janice B
New Statler Siblings
Utah


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:30 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
this is not a bug because it is not emailed.
However, I notice that the push notification only goes out if the notification *is* emailed, which is the reason that even after I checked the Edit link thing, I still got no push notification. So if email for a notification hashtag is disabled, then push notifications are automatically disabled, yet the notification is still sent to the group. Is that the desired behavior? Somehow I think not, but I'm going to get off this subject for awhile. :)
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

It seems that the notification settings for each type are now scattered around in different places. I can't hold it all in my little head...


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 6:30 PM J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bug: I edited the #wiki hashtag to not be emailed to the group. Then I edited a wiki page. A #wiki notification was emailed to the group.
Ok, this is not a bug because it is not emailed. BUT there is a distinct lack here of being able to disable the message/notification from going to the group! I was laboring under the wishful thinking that checking the "no email" box would prevent the notification from going to the group *at all*. This is accomplished in uploading a file, for example, by the "notify the group" checkbox. So with any new added notification, I think there also needs to be added the ability to send or not send the notification to the group, on an individual basis, just like with uploading files.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Bug: I edited the #wiki hashtag to not be emailed to the group. Then I edited a wiki page. A #wiki notification was emailed to the group.
Ok, this is not a bug because it is not emailed. BUT there is a distinct lack here of being able to disable the message/notification from going to the group! I was laboring under the wishful thinking that checking the "no email" box would prevent the notification from going to the group *at all*. This is accomplished in uploading a file, for example, by the "notify the group" checkbox. So with any new added notification, I think there also needs to be added the ability to send or not send the notification to the group, on an individual basis, just like with uploading files.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I will proactively create these hashtags for groups, if they don't already exist.
Great!
click the 'Edit' link for the hashtag (not the Edit Tag button),
 Ok, thanks. I find the double use of "edit" very confusing so hopefully a different word for the second one can be substituted at some point.

you can check the 'Web/App Notify' checkbox. In that regard, as in others, they are just regular emails sent to the group. This is different from the moderator notifications, which are sent to individuals only.
I'm having lots of trouble understanding this. How is the web/app notify a regard in which they're just regular emails? Also, where and how will moderator notifications fit into this scheme? I still don't understand the global thing. At all. Will we be able to edit any of the tags, such as #wiki, so that the emails are sent to moderators only? I don't want the group to receive notifications for wiki edits. When I requested that addition to notifications a long time ago (and others have also done that since), I didn't envision the notifications going to the group. Where will moderator notifications be separated from group notifications? Do you have any sort of list yet that you could post, so we can see which is which? As well as where the mod notifications will be found, edited, etc.? I am still not seeing the forest here...just a few trees here and there. I'm sure there's a beautiful forest somewhere in your head, but I'm not seeing it yet!

Thanks!

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

There's no way for me to know the reason why notifications aren't available in a browser, so I don't think I can be more specific on the message. But we'll add troubleshooting info to the docs.

To receive a push notification for these, you need to go to the Hashtags page and click the 'Edit' link for the hashtag (not the Edit Tag button), like you're going to mute it. Then you can check the 'Web/App Notify' checkbox. In that regard, as in others, they are just regular emails sent to the group. This is different from the moderator notifications, which are sent to individuals only. My expectation is that most people won't use the `Web/App Notify` functionality; I think of it as a nice to have. I think the push notifications are more important for moderator notifications.

At some point, I will proactively create these hashtags for groups, if they don't already exist.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The text push notification worked, but nothing since then.
typo: "the test push notification"
 
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