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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

I'm behind the curve on this due to not being able to allow Notifications until a few minutes ago. So please excuse a few basic questions: Does
"sent to the group" in the #wiki notification mean the notification is sent as a message to the group? Will there be, or is there, a way for selected notifications to go to moderators only, as there is now for things like pending members? I certainly would not want my whole group notified every time I, or anyone else, edits a wiki page, and hope that all of these deliveries would be subject to options set by moderators.  I don't see any of these hashtags yet in my group and am wondering where they are (since they've been pushed), and I have reloaded since reconfiguring my FF and enabling notifications. So wonder whether I'm looking in the right place, and also I can't see how they can be edited. I hope to catch up on all of this quick.

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

I'm not sure whether you're still following the other thread on this, but since you're asking for suggestions: Thomas helped me determine that if you're private browsing in FF, that's when you get the "notifications not available on this browser" message. So if that can't be changed/fixed, I think the wording should at least be changed to reflect the reason, if possible. And if the reason is not immediately known in any individual case, I think there should be Help documentation to the effect that private browsing disables notifications.

Good question about what to do about 10 edits in a short period of time. Maybe there should be options for each kind of notification about whether to group them or not. I would not want individual notices for wiki edits by the same user, but I'd want them for photo uploads, for example.
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moderated New notifications #update

 

Hi All,

I just pushed the following changes:

  • Creating or modifying a wiki page now generates a #wiki notification, sent to the group.
  • Uploading photos to an album now generates #photo notification, sent to the group.
  • The existing file notification now comes tagged with a #file hashtag.
  • The Notify Members checkbox when uploading files is now checked by default, in preparation for removing it at some point.

Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. One thing I'm curious about is whether I need to aggregate these notifications if they are generated within a certain limited time period. That is, if someone does 10 edits of the same wiki page in 5 minutes, should those just generate one notification (after 5 minutes). This would cause a delay on when the notification is sent out while we wait to see if any more changes happen. I'm curious to know if that will be a common occurrence.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Test notification worked.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I double-click on FF in the dock, it no longer allows me to open a new window from there.
I fixed this. Now I'm all set!
 
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 03:03 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
because it is set to not remember history

Or the real reason(?), "because it is set to private browsing." It's tricky because it seems that in FF, removing the "always private browsing" setting disallows "never remember history." So I'm not sure what's the most proximate cause of the failure.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Mark,
If it's possible for groups.io to do, Ii.e., if the information is available, I would change "not available in this browser" statement to "not available in this browser because it is set to not remember history" if that's the case. This took several days to figure out and at various points, I was ready to give up and thought, ok, I just can't have notifications, so forget about it.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Shal,

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 06:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
 

I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though ...
 
Correct, it is not the push notification - that's something separate.

Yes, it was sort of a rhetorical statement/question.

 

 
Presumably in the mobile app the push notifications would go to the device's notification display mechanism, whatever that is.
 
I would hope so too. The notifications from the mobile Chrome and Firefox browsers I have on my phone show in the same manner as all the other apps I have. Interestingly, if I login using the default Samsung mobile browser (Internet) and enable notifications for that, it gets listed as Android - Chrome on my Account > Notifications screen.

Cheers,
Andy


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Thomas,

Yes, that was it! I had History set to "never remember history," which did not allow me to use custom settings for history. I instead checked "use custom settings" and sure enough, it had "always private" checked, which I unchecked. Now I can enable Notifications here. So it seems that in order to use groups.io notifications in FF, you have to enable history, at least in the current incarnation?

Unfortunately, though, doing this made it so that when I double-click on FF in the dock, it no longer allows me to open a new window from there.
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:47 PM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
the setting for always opening in private mode is here:
Thanks!!!! I thought I looked in every possible setting, but did not see that one. I'm again wondering whether the problem is my antique MacOS. I'll look again now.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 02:45 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
The only options in Firefox I checked were:
Thanks but that presupposes that groups.io even made the request, which, in my case, it didn't and is not listed there.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi J,
the setting for always opening in private mode is here:
Open Menu - Options - Privacy & Security
scroll down to History
select „use custom settings for history“ - there’s a check box „Always use private browsing mode“. uncheck that - I would assume it’s checked for you

That should stop the automatic private browsing and then also allow notifications.
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:35 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

Thomas,
Thanks! This restriction needs to be in the documentation!!! I'll try to get out of private windows and see what happens.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM Thomas Gruber <computerhusky@...> wrote:
hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
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moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:21 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?
The only options in Firefox I checked were:



Apart from the Firefox config change to ensure the notifications were passed to the Windows Action Centre I haven't made changes.

Andy


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Thomas,
Thanks! This restriction needs to be in the documentation!!! I'll try to get out of private windows and see what happens.


On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:33 PM Thomas Gruber <computerhusky@...> wrote:
hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Thomas Gruber
 

hi J
1. + 3.: I think they’re not relevant for notifications. I tried popup blocker on or off in my Firefox, and notifications worked in both cases. I haven’t tested  „do not track“ but that shouldn’t really affect notifications.
2. - YES! I just tested it - when I use private browsing, the notification settings page says „notifications are not supported in this browser“. When I use not private, it works.

No idea why your Firefox always starts in private mode.
Kind regards
Thomas


Am 17.06.2020 um 23:21 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu



moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

 

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:20 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I've noticed that I'm getting the daily summary and digest from my test subgroup an hour later (at 07:00) than those from my main group (at 06:00). This doesn't seem to make sense as the accounts these are sent to are all in the same timezone (currently UTC +01:00).

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
The push notification appears as a transitory pop-up. Now that I've finally enabled it, it shows in the lower right corner of my primary desktop window, above the time and date in the tool bar (the same place new mail notifications from Thunderbird appear). The pop-up appears regardless of whether my browser has focus at the time.
Aha! So I was confused (which is not surprising).

I was looking for the notification to arrive in the browser toolbar. Instead, it arrives in the desktop taskbar.

Having turned on notifications in both places, I am now receiving them.

Thanks Shal,
Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

Michael Pavan
 

Please add 1 simple switch for Group Owners to turn off all hashtags.

All this #hashtag stuff is fine for those that want them, but let it be an opt-in, rather than impose them.


moderated Re: New notifications proposal #misc

 

Andy,


I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though ...

Correct, it is not the push notification - that's something separate.

The push notification appears as a transitory pop-up. Now that I've finally enabled it, it shows in the lower right corner of my primary desktop window, above the time and date in the tool bar (the same place new mail notifications from Thunderbird appear). The pop-up appears regardless of whether my browser has focus at the time. (Firefox under Win10). Your mileage may vary with different browsers or operating systems. Maybe also depending on where you have the tool bar docked.

The bell list, or notifications merged into messages list, is a UI feature for finding current and prior notifications.

In a typical "bell" list there's a visual cue for which events you've "seen" and which you haven't. That's functionality that doesn't currently exist in the Messages list, except by the incidental link coloring done for visited pages (which uses browser history to distinguish seen from unseen). But that functionality is a long-standing request that Mark has often mentioned in conjunction with the notification overhaul.

Aren't these initial changes part of an overhaul that paves the way for release of the long-awaited mobile apps?

That's my understanding: this is the web version of functionality to be added to the mobile app betas. Presumably in the mobile app the push notifications would go to the device's notification display mechanism, whatever that is.

Shal

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