hi J

In the cogniscenti's esteemed opinions here, could any of the following be what's making groups.io say that my Firefox browser doesn't support notifications?

1. In my FF privacy settings, "Send websites a “Do Not Track” signal that you don’t want to be tracked" is set to "Always"
2. I always use private windows in Firefox, for some reason (when I open a new window, it automatically is a private window - for some reason, I can't easily figure out how to change this, but could figure it out if this could be the issue)
3. Block pop-up windows is enabled (actually I tried unchecking that but it had no effect, so this one is doubtful)
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On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:12 PM, Shal Farley wrote:

The push notification appears as a transitory pop-up. Now that I've finally enabled it, it shows in the lower right corner of my primary desktop window, above the time and date in the tool bar (the same place new mail notifications from Thunderbird appear). The pop-up appears regardless of whether my browser has focus at the time.

Aha! So I was confused (which is not surprising).

I was looking for the notification to arrive in the browser toolbar. Instead, it arrives in the desktop taskbar.

Having turned on notifications in both places, I am now receiving them.

Thanks Shal,
Bruce

Please add 1 simple switch for Group Owners to turn off all hashtags.

All this #hashtag stuff is fine for those that want them, but let it be an opt-in, rather than impose them.

There is an inconsistency, this is what comes of having digest (plain and MIME) and summary subscriptions to my own (sub)group in addition to single messages.

This afternoon I have:

• [maintainers] GENUKI maintainers - Daily Summary
• maintainers@GENUKI.groups.io Digest #2
• [maintainers] GENUKI maintainers - Digest #2

Could we please have the middle (plain text digest) subject line reformed to be the same as the third (MIME digest) one.

Malcolm.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 05:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've added some debugging information to the notifications page when viewed by your test account Andy. Can you try again and then send a screenshot of this debugging info?

Hi Mark,

I didn't see any debugging information on the notifications screen but this time I was able to turn notifications on in Firefox mobile and the test notification worked also.

Thanks,
Andy

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 04:04 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Reset groups.io permissions in Chrome and turned notifications back on again...no dice.

That's weird. I have the same settings in Chrome as you at that point and it works for me (on Chrome mobile also).  It's Firefox mobile that I have a problem with at present as I can't enable notifications.

I did have a problem with Firefox (Windows) not passing notifications to the Windows Action Centre but found a fix for that by changing the Firefox config setting alerts.useSystemBackend to true.

Andy

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:

a daft question perhaps but have you enabled the notifications in your account profile?

Yep. Turned it off and on...three times. Reset groups.io permissions in Chrome and turned notifications back on again...no dice. Even clicking the "Send a Test Notification" button doesn't seem to achieve the objective. Wondering now if there will ever be a desktop app.

Bruce

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 03:17 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

But maybe I'm missing some fine point,

Hi Bruce,

a daft question perhaps but have you enabled the notifications in your account profile?

Regards,
Andy

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 02:45 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

I'm with you. Although I see the new UI controls (drop-list for moderator notifications, checkbox for hashtags) I don't see any hint of notifications, even when I deliberately take an action that should provoke one.

I checked Firefox's exclusion list for sites where I've blocked notifications, Groups.io was not in that list. I've now added it as Allowed. I turned off Cortana's hiding of notifications because it thought I had a window full screen somewhere.

I'm stuck, too. 

I think I have notifications enabled (see screenshot) but somehow it's still not happening.



W10 64-bit with Chrome Version 83.0.4103.97.

Another thought:  Hashtags are only created for a group as they begin to appear in group emails. If they are to be the primary means of managing notifications, this suggests that there's no way to be proactive about it. Hashtag by hashtag, you have to wait until that first email is posted before the corresponding "push" notification can be turned on.

But maybe I'm missing some fine point, because I'm pretty confused about this new feature.

Regards,
Bruce

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 08:34 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

With the "bell" display pattern I think one in the top-bar that shows a sum over all memberships, plus one in the left nav pane (just above or below Messages) for those specific to a given group, would be good.

I agree that the bell icon is a commonly used method of altering users to notifications. I'm not sure it that would be classed as a push notification though and it probably wouldn't be the attention grabber (especially on mobile devices) that it seems was the intention. Aren't these initial changes part of an overhaul that paves the way for release of the long-awaited mobile apps?

Regards,
Andy

Mark,

In #25296 you wrote:

There is more work to be done with the notifications overhaul, including adding a whole bunch more notifications and figuring out where those notifications should live. I will continue that discussion in the New notifications proposal topic that Shal most recently responded to last night.

And in #25323 you wrote:

I think the biggest thing left to figure out about notifications is where they should appear.

I was originally envisioning a separate list of compact notification items, click one to be taken to the relevant action. Similar to that seen on other sites:

   

And yes, I recognize the irony of citing "f" after declaring them a non sequitur. In my defense that Notification UI seems to be in common on many sites. In terms of ease of learning and use there's something to be said for adopting a UI pattern that is likely to be already familiar to users. So long as it accomplishes what you need / want.

That was before you proposed the idea of merging notifications with messages and the hashtag mechanism. Putting what's essentially a replica of the email notification into the group's Messages list is a completely different point of view. It has some advantages, such as being an obvious springboard for discussion. Again the already existing example of events from the calendar: birthday and anniversary events are very popular conversation starters in my "social" groups.

The hashtag-based UI controls may be compatible the "bell" notification display. While notifications by email are perforce email messages with a Subject text and a body text, the items in the Notification list on the web could be pared down to the bare essential text needed to convey the information, and the entire area of the list item be a link to a relevant place (which would depend on what the notice is about).  It may not be needed or even desirable to have the text of the hashtag be part of the notification item.

With the "bell" display pattern I think one in the top-bar that shows a sum over all memberships, plus one in the left nav pane (just above or below Messages) for those specific to a given group, would be good.

With the "merged into messages" display pattern I think I would still want an easy to find a control ("filter") to select for display both messages (member content) and notifications, or only one or the other.

This will take at least one night's sleep to consider.

Shal

Hi Mark,

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:16 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

The program that generates the summaries runs every hour and generates the summaries for people with the appropriate timezone for that hour.
I've re-written the program so that it's much more efficient now

I've noticed that I'm getting the daily summary and digest from my test subgroup an hour later (at 07:00) than those from my main group (at 06:00). This doesn't seem to make sense as the accounts these are sent to are all in the same timezone (currently UTC +01:00).

Regards,
Andy

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:36 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I've tweaked the record size setting again based on another bug report I found on-line. Can you try mobile Firefox again? 

 

Hi Mark.

having previously disabled notifications on all devices I cannot test that now because as I said in previous posts the Enable Notifications In This Browser and Send A Test Notification buttons do not work on mobile Firefox.

Regards,
Andy

In Mac system preferences --> notifications, I have all of the following checked for FF:

Show notifications on lock screen

Show in Notification Center: 5 Recent Items

Badge app icon

Play sound for notifications

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 02:45 PM, Thomas Gruber wrote:

I had to allow notifications from Firefox in the control panel / notification settings,

Oh, you mean from the Mac. I'll look there again.
 
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