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moderated Re: Email Logging Omission #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:47 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
But the email delivery history [sic] contains only the last message received. Right? Isn't it possible other messages were received after the rejection notification?
Knowing (or at least strongly suspecting) that there was some sort of problem I checked my own and other moderators' delivery histories less than a couple of minutes after I ought to have received my own copy of the rejection notification. Of course there ws nothing logged.

I agree that the very limited snapshot of email deliveries (other than recent bounces) can be a bit frustrating but being able to carry out an immediate check was useful. What took rather longer was being able to verify that other moderators had received their copies... several hours in fact.

FWIW ISTR that there is a similar gap in the delivery logging if a moderator sends an email to a member from the web UI; the message is logged for the member but not for the copy addressees. There is not a problem if all the copies are correctly delivered but if one isn't then questions arise...

Chris  


moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:16 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
(it runs in about 2 minutes for US East now instead of 1.5 hours)
Is this the same underlying code that generates Digests also?  There was a suggestion that reports of receiving 13 messages in a Digest could be due to extra messages being received between the time a Digest was triggered and the time it completed. If this is the same underlying code and it is now more efficient, the chances of 13 messages in a Digest would be reduced.

Andy


moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

Bob Bellizzi
 

Reentrant code might let them run concurrently if one lagged.
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moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

 

Hi All,

I think I've tracked down and fixed the missing summaries bug. The program that generates the summaries runs every hour and generates the summaries for people with the appropriate timezone for that hour. The problem was that sometimes, especially for the US East and West coasts, those summary runs would take longer than an hour, because of the number of summaries generated. This was causing problems for the following hour (mainly midwest US people).

I've re-written the program so that it's much more efficient now (it runs in about 2 minutes for US East now instead of 1.5 hours). Hopefully this should fix the missing summaries bug.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Email Logging Omission #bug

 

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
there was no record of the rejection. A check with the other 2 revealed that they had received the notification.
But the email delivery history [sic] contains only the last message received. Right? Isn't it possible other messages were received after the rejection notification? That's actually something that drives me nuts. I wish the email delivery histories contained more "history" and not just the last email received.
 
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moderated Email Logging Omission #bug

Chris Jones
 

Mark; in Site Updates of May 9th you announced that you had rectified a bug in the recording of resent confirmation emails. I think I have found another missed logging action.

If a moderator rejects a message for some reason then the fact of that rejection is recorded in the Activity log. However, if the moderator making the rejection checks the cc All Moderators box then the copies of that rejection sent to group moderators are not recorded as emails sent to the moderators, and IMHO they ought to be if only to be consistent with the confirmation emails recording above.

What brought this to light is that fact that once again I am not getting copies of rejection notifications while the other 2 mods of the group I moderate do. My first port of call was my ISP's spam box (empty!) and the second was the email delivery histories of all 3 of us, where as mentioned above there was no record of the rejection. A check with the other 2 revealed that they had received the notification.

Could you please have a look at this so that records of rejection notification emails are included in Email Delivery Histories?

Chris


moderated Re: Wiki image align right not being saved #bug

jay@...
 

Thanks, Bruce.

The #bug comes from the editor explicitly adding those inline styles when highlighting an image and clicking right align - it even renders it correctly in the editor - with no manual code by me only to have it disappear when clicking Save. Why would the editor create styles that the site cannot support? It supported it in the preview just fine.


moderated Re: Donation fee change #update

 

No donations for any of my groups. But Mark - can't I just text you twenty bucks Apple Cash once in a while? KISS?

Patti


moderated Re: safari warns groups.io certificate expired, site "may be impersonating" groups.io etc. #misc

 

Ominously, I just got the same "this connection is not private... impersonation" yada yada  message on my brand-new (< 1 month old) iPhone, after clicking on a wapo link that had been sent to me in an email. It happened just once but does not bode well.
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moderated Re: safari warns groups.io certificate expired, site "may be impersonating" groups.io etc. #misc

 

I have no problem using an alternative browser, either, and have been using Firefox for groups.io during this issue. It is still convenient to use safari sometimes, if not for groups.io then for some other sites.


On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:08 PM, dave w <groupsmaster@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 07:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
It's clear now that it's my old version of Safari (forced on me by my old OS) that's causing my problem.
Group- To be contrary, both my MacBook and OS are older than those cited.
And I have no problem whatsoever using an alternative browser.
The 'condition' of using Safari is the concern- while it can't be erased, I'd suggest it can be ignored.
And that from a 30 year 'fanboy' who's done my time troublshooting and supporting a heck of a lot of other local Mac users, mostly for free!
regards dave

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: safari warns groups.io certificate expired, site "may be impersonating" groups.io etc. #misc

dave w
 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 07:29 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
It's clear now that it's my old version of Safari (forced on me by my old OS) that's causing my problem.
Group- To be contrary, both my MacBook and OS are older than those cited.
And I have no problem whatsoever using an alternative browser.
The 'condition' of using Safari is the concern- while it can't be erased, I'd suggest it can be ignored.
And that from a 30 year 'fanboy' who's done my time troublshooting and supporting a heck of a lot of other local Mac users, mostly for free!
regards dave


moderated Re: Donation fee change #update

 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 3:42 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Calculating the break-even point:

.05x = .029x + .30

x = .30 / (.05 - .029)  = $14.29!

Ouch.


Yeah, not my best shining moment..... "But we'll make it up in volume!"

I haven't done any calculations, but eyeballing it, it seems the average donation amount has been between $10-$20.


Mark


moderated Re: Gmail and Zimbra contacts #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 01:52 PM, ira k wrote:
#suggestion I would like to export contacts from gmail and zimbra to group members in groups in groups.io
Ira -- Member lists can already be imported if they are in a flat text file, one member per line. This works in both Invite and Direct Add.

If you're having problems exporting, you need to find a gmail/zimbra support group or post an inquiry to GroupManagersForum.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Wiki image align right not being saved #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 04:31 PM, <jay@...> wrote:
When editing a wiki page I am able to highlight an image and choose "align right". The editor shows the image aligned right and the "source code" reveals the CSS style of "float:right" - which is what I wanted. 

However, when the page is saved the style is not retained and the image returns back to the left-hand-side with no float style attached.
Jay -- Many inline styles like this are lost upon save.

Groups.io uses the bootstrap CSS library and you can use those class definitions in your own wiki pages. https://getbootstrap.com/

Failing that, the deprecated construct <img src="myimg.jpg" align="right"> is saved just fine and still works for most (probably all) browsers.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Donation fee change #update

Duane
 

I thought that before someone asks, I'd throw up a little comparison chart:

Donation    old charge    old fee/loss        new fee
      1                0.33        0.05/0.28           0.35
      2                0.36        0.10/0.26           0.40
      3                0.39        0.15/0.24           0.45
      4                0.42        0.20/0.22           0.50
      5                0.45        0.25/0.20           0.55
      6                0.47        0.30/0.17           0.59
      7                0.50        0.35/0.15           0.64
      8                0.53        0.40/0.13           0.69
      9                0.56        0.45/0.11           0.74
    10                0.59        0.50/0.09           0.79
break even was at 14.29, anything smaller was a loss for GIO
    20                0.88        1.00                   1.28
    30                1.17        1.50                   1.77
    50                1.75        2.50                   2.75
  100                3.20        5.00                   5.20

Hope it comes through with the proper spacing.
Duane


moderated Re: Donation fee change #update

Bruce Bowman
 

Calculating the break-even point:

.05x = .029x + .30

x = .30 / (.05 - .029)  = $14.29!

Ouch.

Bruce


moderated Donation fee change #update

 

Hi All,
 
Until now, the fee structure for donations was a flat 5%, which included Stripe's credit card fees. Given that Stripe's fees are 2.9% + $0.30, smaller donations ended up costing us money. Which even I realize isn't a good way to run a business. Queue Homer Simpson "D'oh!".
 
The fee structure for new donation requests is 2% plus Stripe's credit card fees. Existing donation requests (I believe there are 2 or 3 active at the moment) are unchanged. That is, any donations made to an existing donation request will be at the previous fee structure.
 
Please let me know if you have any questions.
 
Mark


moderated Wiki image align right not being saved #bug

jay@...
 

When editing a wiki page I am able to highlight an image and choose "align right". The editor shows the image aligned right and the "source code" reveals the CSS style of "float:right" - which is what I wanted. 

However, when the page is saved the style is not retained and the image returns back to the left-hand-side with no float style attached.


moderated Re: safari warns groups.io certificate expired, site "may be impersonating" groups.io etc. #misc

 

Yep, I can get in using safari now, which makes me tempted to delay the inevitable (an OS upgrade;)
Thanks!
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Gmail and Zimbra contacts #suggestion

ira k
 

#suggestion I would like to export contacts from gmail and zimbra to group members in groups in groups.io

Ira Kemp

[Mod note: Added the subject.]

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