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moderated Standardise links at bottom of Daily Summary and Full Digest Emails #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi,

I think it would be helpful to have the Home, Subscription, Messages and New Topic links shown at the bottom of the Daily Summary email also shown at the bottom of a Full Digest to provide a consistent style and quick access to key web pages.  If that's done, I would then question retaining the New Topic link at the bottom of each message in a Digest as the others primarily relate to the message above (except Top ^).

Andy


moderated New topic Send and Discard buttons not working after using New Topic link in Daily Summary #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

a Daily Summary contains Home, Subscription, Messages and New Topic links at the bottom. After using the New Topic link a new topic window is shown but the Send and Discard buttons don't work properly. The Discard button does nothing and the Send button just takes you back to the messages view.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

Yes! Was definitely riffing on him. You got it! 😻


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 2:31 PM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:
On 5/24/2020 14:13, J_Catlady wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I think divining intent from semantics is a perilous business, in particular when there are multiple plausible intents.
Divining intent is a perilous matter
When multiple plausible meanings exist.
Some people may just mean to clean up their chatter
But just by pure chance they make others quite pissed.

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J

Are you riffing T.S. Eliot's The Naming of Cats? If so, I approve.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 5/24/2020 14:13, J_Catlady wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I think divining intent from semantics is a perilous business, in particular when there are multiple plausible intents.
Divining intent is a perilous matter
When multiple plausible meanings exist.
Some people may just mean to clean up their chatter
But just by pure chance they make others quite pissed.

--
J

Are you riffing T.S. Eliot's The Naming of Cats? If so, I approve.

Best,

Glenn

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PG&E Delenda Est

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I think divining intent from semantics is a perilous business, in particular when there are multiple plausible intents.
Divining intent is a perilous matter
When multiple plausible meanings exist.
Some people may just mean to clean up their chatter
But just by pure chance they make others quite pissed.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

I think divining intent from semantics is a perilous business, in particular when there are multiple plausible intents.

Some people may intend to start a new thread by changing the subject line.
Some people may intend to just clean up automated reply/forward annotations.
Some people may intend to acknowledge that the subject of the conversation has mutated while preserving the chain to the earlier subject (the thread has forked).
Some people may intend to just add or remove a hashtag.

None of those are more right or more wrong than the others, just different use cases. Asserting that only one of them is what all writers have in mind strikes me as not very universal.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Dave Wade
 

Folks,

If you change the subject line you probably intend to start a new thread. The problem is when you mail client changes the subject.

In the past, but perhaps not on ”groups.io”  I have seen mails that have acquired a while string of “RE: AW: RE: AW:” as mails ping pong between a user with a German language and an English language client.

Dave

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Malcolm Austen
Sent: 23 May 2020 17:31
To: main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On 23/05/2020 17:25:59, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


> Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
> not on the basis of the subject line.

I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.

Malcolm Austen: 

 

I argue the converse. If you want to start a new topic, you should compose a new message. It should be permissible to correct a typo in the subject line without starting a new topic.

 

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On 23/05/2020 17:36:39, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

This has been hashed and rehashed an rerehashed in the past and the decision was made to thread topics based on subject line as well, because sometimes they were not threading correctly otherwise. I think that was the right decision and it should stay as is. This is going off on a tangent .
Malcolm Austen: 
Indeed.
I thought the question was asked as to how messages can be threaded correctly if they have no subject line.
I attempted to answer that in such a case they can be threaded correctly by means of the threading headers.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

This has been hashed and rehashed an rerehashed in the past and the decision was made to thread topics based on subject line as well, because sometimes they were not threading correctly otherwise. I think that was the right decision and it should stay as is. This is going off on a tangent .


On May 23, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@...> wrote:



On 23/05/2020 17:25:59, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


> Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
> not on the basis of the subject line.

I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.
Malcolm Austen: 

I argue the converse. If you want to start a new topic, you should compose a new message. It should be permissible to correct a typo in the subject line without starting a new topic.

Malcolm.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On 23/05/2020 17:25:59, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


> Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
> not on the basis of the subject line.

I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.
Malcolm Austen: 

I argue the converse. If you want to start a new topic, you should compose a new message. It should be permissible to correct a typo in the subject line without starting a new topic.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
not on the basis of the subject line.
I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.

Also, I don't want to copy one of the worst parts of googlegroups:
if you send a reply to a digest about subject A, and then send a reply to the same digest about subject B, the second message is threaded as subject A, and sent with the subjectline A ..

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 08:39 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
That‘s not a groups.io thing really,
My point was not that it's a groups.io thing. My point was that there may have been no relationship established yet, so it doesn't seem appropriate to me to slap them on the wrist ("please don't send emails without subjects") for not including a subject, or worse yet, bounce their email.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 08:39 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
Or if you want to be really generous, a warning reply - like „please don‘t send emails without subject“
I think even that is too much if a relationship has not yet been established. People DO send blank emails to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. It's not standard practice or in any way required that all emails have subject lines.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On 23/05/2020 16:43:24, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers...
Not always. See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6321
Malcolm Austen: 
Yes Bruce, there are extra possibilities. The point I intended to make was that even if there is no subject line, messages can be correctly threaded by means of the email headers.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:32 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

Aaaarrrgggghhhh!  In addition to the other discussion on changes to the mobile homepage we now see this as main group names are no longer shown. How are we supposed to determine which group is which when most don;t have mobile site icons defined?

This has been fixed.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers...
Not always. See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6321

Bruce


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi,
If they can send emails then they should be able to enter a subject. That‘s not a groups.io thing really, that‘s just good behavior in email traffic. I think a rejection is appropriate. And if I was a group owner I also wouldn’t want to receive emails without subject.
Or if you want to be really generous, a warning reply - like „please don‘t send emails without subject“ - and accept the message anyway. 
Thomas

Am 23.05.2020 um 17:11 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

Given the bouncing if sent via email, I feel even more strongly that owner messages without a subject should be allowed. These are potentially coming from people completely unfamiliar with the group or even groups.io.

However, I agree that the issue of hashtags qualifying as subjects in group messages needs to be fixed.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

Given the bouncing if sent via email, I feel even more strongly that owner messages without a subject should be allowed. These are potentially coming from people completely unfamiliar with the group or even groups.io.

However, I agree that the issue of hashtags qualifying as subjects in group messages needs to be fixed.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:54:07 +0100, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers, not on the basis of the subject line.

Malcolm.

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Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Duane wrote:
Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.
Yep...a source of annoyance for me.

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.

Regards,
Bruce

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