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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On 23/05/2020 17:25:59, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


> Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
> not on the basis of the subject line.

I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.
Malcolm Austen: 

I argue the converse. If you want to start a new topic, you should compose a new message. It should be permissible to correct a typo in the subject line without starting a new topic.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:05 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:


Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers,
not on the basis of the subject line.
I disagree. If you change the subjectline, it's your intention to create a new thread.

Also, I don't want to copy one of the worst parts of googlegroups:
if you send a reply to a digest about subject A, and then send a reply to the same digest about subject B, the second message is threaded as subject A, and sent with the subjectline A ..

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 08:39 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
That‘s not a groups.io thing really,
My point was not that it's a groups.io thing. My point was that there may have been no relationship established yet, so it doesn't seem appropriate to me to slap them on the wrist ("please don't send emails without subjects") for not including a subject, or worse yet, bounce their email.
 
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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 08:39 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
Or if you want to be really generous, a warning reply - like „please don‘t send emails without subject“
I think even that is too much if a relationship has not yet been established. People DO send blank emails to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc. It's not standard practice or in any way required that all emails have subject lines.
 
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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On 23/05/2020 16:43:24, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers...
Not always. See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6321
Malcolm Austen: 
Yes Bruce, there are extra possibilities. The point I intended to make was that even if there is no subject line, messages can be correctly threaded by means of the email headers.

Malcolm.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 11:32 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

Aaaarrrgggghhhh!  In addition to the other discussion on changes to the mobile homepage we now see this as main group names are no longer shown. How are we supposed to determine which group is which when most don;t have mobile site icons defined?

This has been fixed.

Cheers,
Mark 


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 11:05 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers...
Not always. See https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/6321

Bruce


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi,
If they can send emails then they should be able to enter a subject. That‘s not a groups.io thing really, that‘s just good behavior in email traffic. I think a rejection is appropriate. And if I was a group owner I also wouldn’t want to receive emails without subject.
Or if you want to be really generous, a warning reply - like „please don‘t send emails without subject“ - and accept the message anyway. 
Thomas

Am 23.05.2020 um 17:11 schrieb J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>:

Given the bouncing if sent via email, I feel even more strongly that owner messages without a subject should be allowed. These are potentially coming from people completely unfamiliar with the group or even groups.io.

However, I agree that the issue of hashtags qualifying as subjects in group messages needs to be fixed.
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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

Given the bouncing if sent via email, I feel even more strongly that owner messages without a subject should be allowed. These are potentially coming from people completely unfamiliar with the group or even groups.io.

However, I agree that the issue of hashtags qualifying as subjects in group messages needs to be fixed.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Malcolm Austen
 

On Sat, 23 May 2020 15:54:07 +0100, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.
Emails are (or should be) threaded on the basis of the threading headers, not on the basis of the subject line.

Malcolm.

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moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Duane wrote:
Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.
Yep...a source of annoyance for me.

Topics are supposed to have subjects. Not sure how the threading algorithm is supposed to work without one.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

Very good point.


On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 7:39 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:17 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
For those asking for clarification: It's not really that the message gets rejected in the usual sense, because it is not even allowed to be submitted without a subject.
This would be for online submissions.  If sent via email, the message is actually bounced with the message "500 This message is missing a subject. Please include a subject and send it again."  Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.

Duane


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 09:17 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
For those asking for clarification: It's not really that the message gets rejected in the usual sense, because it is not even allowed to be submitted without a subject.
This would be for online submissions.  If sent via email, the message is actually bounced with the message "500 This message is missing a subject. Please include a subject and send it again."  Unfortunately, a hashtag on the subject line is enough to allow it to be accepted.

Duane


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

For those asking for clarification: It's not really that the message gets rejected in the usual sense, because it is not even allowed to be submitted without a subject. The composition box stops you right after you hit "Send" and says "You must include a subject." right below the subject line, which lights up in red.

I also personally don't care if owner messages have subject lines or not. Well, honestly, I lean very slightly towards not requiring them.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

 

I would like this too. Since my group uses hashtags, all that happens is that the hashtags show as hashtags and are then repeated as the subject line, so members continue sending messages with hashtags rather than subject lines.

Personally, I'd prefer messages sent to the group without a subject line to get rejected, but I don't mind messages sent to the mods without a subject line.

Helen


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 05:01 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
NEW: Revamped mobile Groups page.
Aaaarrrgggghhhh!  In addition to the other discussion on changes to the mobile homepage we now see this as main group names are no longer shown. How are we supposed to determine which group is which when most don;t have mobile site icons defined?




There is so much good work done on Groups.io and it all gets undermined with stuff like this. Why hasn't anybody tested it???

Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Updates to the Members manual and Owners manual from Nina.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the kernel of mail01, to hopefully address slowness issue.
  • CHANGE: When a group is set to Reply To Sender and also has Remove Other Reply Options set, do not add a List-Post header to individual messages.
  • BUGFIX: Daily summaries included topics that had been muted.
  • NEW: Remember the current calendar view.
  • NEW: Revamped mobile Groups page.
  • CHANGE: Made the subject lines of the subscribe/unsubscribe emails more useful.
  • API: Added /getenterpriseinfo endpoint.
  • BUGFIX: The subject wasn't logged in the activity log when deleting or rejecting a pending message.
  • CHANGE: Relaxed the XML parsing strictness of RSS feeds to allow feeds that would otherwise be considered broken.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: No message composition area when I try to reply to a message in Fuchs Friends #bug

 

I never knew it had disappeared lol. 😊


On May 22, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

It was the same bug but it reappeared which is why I mentioned it again
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Bob Bellizzi


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: No message composition area when I try to reply to a message in Fuchs Friends #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

It was the same bug but it reappeared which is why I mentioned it again
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Rejecting messages without a subject line #suggestion

ro-esp
 

If this is a suggestion, I'd like some clarity on what you mean by "rejected". Does the message simply get discarded, or does the author get a message back saying something like "you sent a message without a subjectline, so we assume it was sent in error and it was not sent to the group"

I'd prefer the latter. I too think it should cover messages to the +owner address

groetjes, Ronaldo

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