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moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

 

"the pending subscription email notifications now include the pending subscriber's platform, browser, location and IP address in the message"
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/21302
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moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

 

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On May 10, 2020, at 10:15 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

The reference to bring logged in is only included in the pending notification if the person applied via the web. This has nothing to do with either email or being logged in to groups.io. It’s the result of someone spokying via the web.


On May 10, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 05:05 PM, John Pearce wrote:
I believe it's only talking about the browser and being logged onto groups.io. 
It couldn't really be anything else!

Being logged in has nothing to do with email, which still may not have been confirmed to the groups.io system.
Not true; an Account is defined by the account holder's email address. As far as I can see it is impossible to be logged in without the email address having been confirmed.

Chris

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moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

 

The reference to bring logged in is only included in the pending notification if the person applied via the web. This has nothing to do with either email or being logged in to groups.io. It’s the result of someone spokying via the web.


On May 10, 2020, at 9:27 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 05:05 PM, John Pearce wrote:
I believe it's only talking about the browser and being logged onto groups.io. 
It couldn't really be anything else!

Being logged in has nothing to do with email, which still may not have been confirmed to the groups.io system.
Not true; an Account is defined by the account holder's email address. As far as I can see it is impossible to be logged in without the email address having been confirmed.

Chris

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moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 05:05 PM, John Pearce wrote:
I believe it's only talking about the browser and being logged onto groups.io. 
It couldn't really be anything else!

Being logged in has nothing to do with email, which still may not have been confirmed to the groups.io system.
Not true; an Account is defined by the account holder's email address. As far as I can see it is impossible to be logged in without the email address having been confirmed.

Chris


moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

John Pearce
 

I believe it's only talking about the browser and being logged onto groups.io.  Being logged in has nothing to do with email, which still may not have been confirmed to the groups.io system.  I like the fact that groups.io requires an ID's email address to be confirmed.  If someone makes a typo when entering their email address and the typo happens to be someone else's valid email address then all the email for the subscriber goes to another person who might consider all that as spam.  I still get some other J Pearce's monthly summary from his American Express account.  Amex does NOT require confirmation, which I think they should be sued for.

John


moderated Re: Add repeat option to Calendar Events for Last day of the month #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:18 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
unfortunately it's not on the Groups.io TODO list yet...
https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta
I don't believe the Trello is updated any more, though it's s good place to get an idea of some things that are planned.

Duane


moderated Re: Add repeat option to Calendar Events for Last day of the month #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

Would it be possible to add a third option to the Calendar Events Repeat section to select the Last day of the month?
"Last Day of the Month" is related to the "Last [Day of Week] of the Month" missing feature.

"Last [Day of Week] of the Month" has been requested at least 4 times.
2016-06-30 https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/9342
2018-03-08 https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/16252
2018-06-25 https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/17550
2020-02-26 https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/24366

There are 12 "Last Day of the Month" (the 28th, 29th, 30th, or 31st).
There are 29-30 days per year (the 29th, 30th, & 31st of every month) that are the 4th OR 5th "Last [Day of Week] of the Month".

It has been pointed out that you could set up an Event on the wrong day (but one that Groups.io recognizes correctly) and 'simply announce the Event x days early'. This lame work-around isn't worthy of Groups.io (especially as YahooGroups knows how to do it) - unfortunately it's not on the Groups.io TODO list yet...
https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta


OTOH, the work-around does suggest that Groups.io could code:
"Last [Day of Week] of the Month" as 7 days before the "First [Day of Week] of the Month" of the following month.
"Last Day of the Month" as 1 day before the "First Day of the Month" of the following month.


An additional date selection of +/- x days (before or after) another date would handle 'conditional' dates:
e.g. the 1st Tuesday after the 1st Monday of a Month (the 2nd - 8th day of a month, not the 1st)
would be: "First Monday of Month" plus 1 day.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 01:45 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
The fact that browser trick sighted people did, above, means the contrast on the website needs to be fixed.
Not for me.  I prefer the existing colors.  I believe Chris did too after he realized the 'trick' broke some other things.

Duane


moderated Re: NC Status Clarification #bug

 

I’ve always assumed that “logged in” refers to them being logged on to the internet.??


On May 9, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

I have hashtagged this as a bug but if I'm honest I'm not sure, hence the request for clarification.

Quite a few of those to apply to the group I co - own are shown on the email notification as being "Logged in", which suggests that they are already Account holders when they apply to join. At the same time they are (sometimes) flagged up on the web UI as NC.

The last "definitive" explanation I can recall was here some 2 years ago, but on the face of it their status as "Logged in" (as per the email) is contradicted by the NC flag.

Is this a glitch in the system or is my understanding actually a misunderstanding? The main reason for asking is that very often getting applicants to respond to the Confirmation Email from groups.io is a tedious process and even when an advisory email is sent just before another confirmation request the NC flag seems to remain resolutely in place.

Chris

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moderated NC Status Clarification #bug

Chris Jones
 

I have hashtagged this as a bug but if I'm honest I'm not sure, hence the request for clarification.

Quite a few of those to apply to the group I co - own are shown on the email notification as being "Logged in", which suggests that they are already Account holders when they apply to join. At the same time they are (sometimes) flagged up on the web UI as NC.

The last "definitive" explanation I can recall was here some 2 years ago, but on the face of it their status as "Logged in" (as per the email) is contradicted by the NC flag.

Is this a glitch in the system or is my understanding actually a misunderstanding? The main reason for asking is that very often getting applicants to respond to the Confirmation Email from groups.io is a tedious process and even when an advisory email is sent just before another confirmation request the NC flag seems to remain resolutely in place.

Chris


moderated Re: Calendar Reminder #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

I was aware of the GMF conversation but so what?
The problem persisted after that which indicated it's a bug

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moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

 

The fact that browser trick sighted people did, above, means the contrast on the website needs to be fixed.

From WCAG...

Use a contrast ratio of 3:1 with surrounding text and providing additional visual cues on focus for links or controls where color alone is used to identify them.

It always confuses me why sighted people don't want to make changes that would benefit them, too. I mean, what if your monitor is malfunctioning and the poor contrast keeps you from using a site because of your monitor?

At some point, the whole contrast should be looked at. Create a ticket by emailing support@groups.io about the wiki links, for now.


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Duane
 

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Jason Diceman wrote:
Any news on this simple little CSS fix?
As far as I can see, no one has determined that it's simple.  One little change can lead to other problems, as Chris noted when he tried the FF trick, so I'd want to be absolutely sure everything else still 'works' properly before making a change.

Duane


moderated Re: Wiki link color is hard to see - usability #bug

Jason Diceman
 

Any news on this simple little CSS fix? 


moderated Duplicate digest numbers #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

I have one of my accounts on my main group set to receive a full digest. The digests for 6-May and 7-May were both numbered 375 but contained different messages. All other digest numbers have been incremented by 1 in the past.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Re: Calendar Reminder #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 10:05 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
There was a recent discussion on GMF about ghost reminders and I reported an incident like this last year.

Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • CHANGE: Allow background and mso-highlight CSS styles in messages.
  • CHANGE: Various icon changes for more consistency.
  • CHANGE: Updated the Members Manual with changes on Wiki page URLs.
  • NEW: When a person is banned from Groups.io, we now log that in all groups they were a member of, and we remove all subscription data instead of just hiding it, which should keep sub counts correct.
  • BUGFIX: The sending of a new confirmation email by a moderator using the 'Send Confirmation Email' button was not logged properly in the email delivery section.
  • NEW: Logging to the activity log when we send the group guidelines out and when we send monthly reminder messages out.
  • INTERNAL: Optimized a database call when generating digests.
  • BUGFIX: Don't include links to profiles of banned members when viewing messages.
  • CHANGE: When visiting a manual in the help center, display the table of contents.
  • CHANGE: Wiki pages now use the wiki page ID instead of the title (with exceptions for _Sidebar/_Footer) to prevent link breakage when titles change.
  • INTERNAL: A lot of work to enable distributed tracing of the internal systems.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Calendar Reminder #bug

 

Hi Bob,

On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:05 PM Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
I have 3 repeating calendar events for meetings each of which occur once every odd month on the first, second and third Saturdays respectively.
The Calendar entry has a very clear No Reminders Set but we are still getting reminders one day to one week in advance of the meeting.
The original entry had reminders set up but with covid-19, we eliminated the meetings and simply added "Cancelled" to the title and removed all reminders.
For Mark's use, they are messages 166765 and 166766 in the Restricted, premium group FuchsFriends

I'm not sure what happened, but I don't think you should get any more reminders for those events. Please contact me off-list if you do.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Calendar Reminder #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

My calendar entries for meetings seem to be generating Reminders when I have none set.
I have 3 repeating calendar events for meetings each of which occur once every odd month on the first, second and third Saturdays respectively.
The Calendar entry has a very clear No Reminders Set but we are still getting reminders one day to one week in advance of the meeting.
The original entry had reminders set up but with covid-19, we eliminated the meetings and simply added "Cancelled" to the title and removed all reminders.
For Mark's use, they are messages 166765 and 166766 in the Restricted, premium group FuchsFriends
  • Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

The plot thickens. There's yet another anomaly: In my basic group, I have an option available to "resend confirmation message" to an NC member. But in my premium group, which has acquired an NC member as of this morning, the only option available with respect to confirmation is "confirm" the member. The NC member has not yet responded to the pending email so he has not been approved (if and when he's approved, he would be confirmed automatically). Although I have the option to confirm him right now, I don't want to do that yet because I don't know yet whether he's real. I simply want the confirmation email to be resent at this point.

But I have no option to resend the confirmation email. Why not? Could this action be added for premium groups, since it's available even in basic groups? Of course he would be confirmed automatically if and when he is approved, but I don't want to wait for that and would like it to be sent now.

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