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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

John Pearce <jponsalt@...>
 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 03:30 PM, John Pearce wrote:
But waiting a week would defeat the purpose of reporting to groups.io
Chris Jones wrote:
Not necessarily, IMHO. Flagging up too soon might well result in so many false positives that it risks swamping Groups.io with potentially innocent applicants.

Chris, agreed.  I was thinking that a tool might help to identify someone as a spammer more than I could do myself.  I don't know what information a tool Mark is suggesting  might provide.  I found for example one person who applied on the web whose email address tracked to a cloud provider in Florida that is known for allowing spammers and hackers to use their service.  The application aged out.  At this time the only people I would report are people that make it onto the group and then spam.  This has only happened once.  Some guidance as to when to report someone along with the tool would be helpful.

John Pearce


moderated Re: A threading error spotted

 

There’s also this issue, which is sort of the converse? and may as well be brought up here: if someone renames a topic via email from subject X to subject Y, and a moderator then merges the two into X, which was the original, subject Y is still displayed when replying via the web.

On May 7, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk> wrote:

It experimenting with a new (sub)group to replace a mailman list, I think
we have located a threading error.

If someone replies by email with the subject changed, then GIO seems to do
things sendibly - it starts a new topic and sends the email out without
any (old) threading history in the headers.

However, if someone replies on the web interface and changes the subject
line. GIO starts a new topic but the outgoing email has the threading
headers that links it to the old messages. So while the web display is
right, an email client that respects the threading headers will see it as a continuation of the thread.

I guess this could be called either way - when replying on the web
interface and changing the subject -
either
GIO should continue the topic rather than start a new one
or
GIO should take out the threading headers from the outgoing email

Others may disagree of course ...

Keep safe, Malcolm.

--
Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

[Mod note: Added #bug hashtag]


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: A threading error spotted

Duane
 

[Mod note: Added #bug hashtag]

Oops, no tag.  Too early, not enough coffee?

Duane


moderated A threading error spotted

Malcolm Austen
 

It experimenting with a new (sub)group to replace a mailman list, I think
we have located a threading error.

If someone replies by email with the subject changed, then GIO seems to do
things sendibly - it starts a new topic and sends the email out without
any (old) threading history in the headers.

However, if someone replies on the web interface and changes the subject
line. GIO starts a new topic but the outgoing email has the threading
headers that links it to the old messages. So while the web display is
right, an email client that respects the threading headers will see it as a continuation of the thread.

I guess this could be called either way - when replying on the web
interface and changing the subject -
either
GIO should continue the topic rather than start a new one
or
GIO should take out the threading headers from the outgoing email

Others may disagree of course ...

Keep safe, Malcolm.

--
Malcolm Austen <malcolm.austen@weald.org.uk>

[Mod note: Added #bug hashtag]


moderated Re: Deleting attachments when out of space #update

Benoît Dumeaux
 

For image attachement it could be interesting to have eidtion option for reduce size.


moderated disabled account #suggestion

Duane
 

When accounts are disabled by GIO management, as noted in a previous topic, it would be helpful if that were noted in the activity log of any groups where they are members.  As it is now, the record for that email address just disappears from the roster.  An entry of "Account disabled by system" should suffice.  I think it would also be a good idea, to prevent confusion, to remove those people from any groups they've joined instead of just hiding the information, so maybe "Banned by system" would be a better process.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

I'm glad that part has been fixed! There is, of course, still the (major) issue with the confusion caused by the overlaying of the term "confirm," the welcome message going out to NC members, and making it so that all restricted groups (not just premium restricted groups) confirm their members upon approval.

Thanks!
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 07:14 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

Resent the confirmation email. It shows in the activity log but does not show in her email delivery history. So that's a definite bug, and probably just a logging bug.

This has now been fixed.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: include auto-sending of group guidelines in activity log #suggestion #done

 

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 9:59 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
It seems odd that the sending of the monthly group guidelines, whose date is included and displayed in "last message sent," is not included in the activity log. You see "May 1" for last message sent, and the activity log shows nothing beyond Ap 27, for example. It's easy to quickly figure out the reason for the disparity, but it's a little odd at first glance. So the suggestion is to include the sending of the group guidelines in the activity log.

We now will log when the guidelines message is sent to the group as well as when any monthly reminders go out.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Banned past members have accessible profiles, unbanning them removes that info #bug #fixed

 

Yes, fixed. Thanks!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jim Avera
 

In https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/31637 Shal Farley referred me to an old bug (https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/7558487#16479) where the solution was to add the List-Post: header.

So maybe List-Post: should not be included if the group is configured to omit all reply options other than the default (e.g. to Sender only).

-Jim


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

Jason Diceman <jason.diceman@...>
 

Thanks Mark!
Works for me and my new wiki.   Old wikis with lots of pages and internal links would probably appreciate an option to search-replace title links with ID links.
Thanks again. Impressed with responsiveness.  Well done!


moderated Re: Banned past members have accessible profiles, unbanning them removes that info #bug #fixed

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 09:42 PM, J_Catlady wrote:

I banned someone from a group today and was chagrined to find that after banning them, their clickable profile and email address suddenly appeared below and at the top of their messages.

This should be fixed now.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

I think each of us tends to look at our groups from our own groups’ perspective. Groups run the gamut from laissez faire which pretty much run themselves to strictly controlled and restrictive and everything in between. Interaction with group members ranges from engaged community to”my way or the highway”.  What constitutes spam, depending on our perspective, ranges from someone plugging their business to sending unwanted porn to scraping the group for personal information. As mentioned already, what’s spam in one group is perfectly acceptable in another.
I fail to see how we can expect Mark to protect us from any and all. negative aspects of the internet with the click of a button given the huge variety of possibilities and the enormous scope of GIO. I tend to feel personally responsible for my groups and never expected them to exist in a perfectly safe bubble. 

Patti

 


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 03:30 PM, John Pearce wrote:
But waiting a week would defeat the purpose of reporting to groups.io
Not necessarily, IMHO. Flagging up too soon might well result in so many false positives that it risks swamping Groups.io with potentially innocent applicants.

FWIW we (i.e. the Group I co - own) seem to get a significant number of apparently innocent applications who never provide an answer to the Pending Subscription message, even if a reminder is sent. As in your case they are allowed to "age out"; it may not catch them at spamming but it certainly prevents them spamming - at least on our Group! Mind you as a nearly fully moderated group they wouldn't get very far anyway...

Chris


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

John Pearce <jponsalt@...>
 

I would use it and a tool that I could use help determine if it's a spammer before reporting to you.  I have had many such attempts to join beginning with all those aol users, but that was more easily recognized as word spread on this group and the simple user name generation.  More recent attempts have been less recognizable.  The only way I have with more certainty is to wait for the pending member request to age out of our restricted group.  After 7 days have gone by it's a good bet that it will age out at 14 days.  But waiting a week would defeat the purpose of reporting to groups.io

Thanks
John


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Larry Finch
 

Thanks to Shal and all the others who pointed out that this feature already exists. I’ve just updated my lists.

Larry

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:29 AM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:
Larry,

 > I manage this in the listserv groups I admininster by not
 > automatically removing a first poster from moderation. ...
 > Is there an easy way to do that with gio?

What Christopher said: the "New Members Moderated" checkbox in the Spam
Control panel of your group's Settings page.

With it checked you'll be given a choice of manual ("Not enabled") or
automatic Unmoderate After (pick a number).

Shal





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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Rex Chadwell
 

Mark, I've been meaning to write and since you may be working on new subscribers.... I want more than an email address from my new subscribers. Is there, or could there be, a way to force a new subscriber to insert his/her full name?
Forgive me if this is the wrong place to ask this question or request. 


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 02:24 PM, Scott Logan wrote:
OTOH, a tool for members to report content to the owner/moderators of THAT group could be useful as well.
I glad that you spotted that just before you pressed "send". In many circumstances the same tool can be used by owners & moderators to report suspects to Groups.io, but it doesn't cover every contingency.

More later; I'm in the middle of other things.

Chris


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Scott Logan
 

I think this would be a very welcome addition as long as it was a tool available only to group owners and/or moderators. I’m afraid that such a tool available to report spammers by average members would quickly get overused.

 

OTOH, a tool for members to report content to the owner/moderators of THAT group could be useful as well.

 

Welp… looks that already is a feature. Guess I learned something today!

 

Scott

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 5:03 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

Hi All,

 

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

 

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

 

 

Thanks,

Mark

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