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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:51 PM, Joseph Hudson wrote:
But you could use the owners email address to let members report suspicious activity to you from other members if they need to be reported and sent to Mark.
No. As a group owner or moderator it's your job to be on the look - out yourself; you should not rely on your members to do it for you. OK; someone might report their concerns to you, but that does not absolve you of your responsibilities.

Chris


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

Larry,

I manage this in the listserv groups I admininster by not
automatically removing a first poster from moderation. ...
Is there an easy way to do that with gio?
What Christopher said: the "New Members Moderated" checkbox in the Spam Control panel of your group's Settings page.

With it checked you'll be given a choice of manual ("Not enabled") or automatic Unmoderate After (pick a number).

Shal


moderated Banned past members have accessible profiles, unbanning them removes that info #bug #fixed

 

I banned someone from a group today and was chagrined to find that after banning them, their clickable profile and email address suddenly appeared below and at the top of their messages. I had to unban the person to make those disappear. Like for past members (those who have not been banned), this info should no longer appear. But banning them makes it come back.

I recall posting about this in the past, but in a different context, wherein I wanted to see a past member's info but could only do it if they had been banned, and I was using banning as a workaround to make it appear. Now it's the opposite scenario: I want the member banned but cannot keep them banned without also making their info accessible, which I don't want. So I had to unban them.

I hope this gets fixed soon.
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J

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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Ann Wild
 

This is my concern: Could marking a sender as a possible or real spammer be done without risking mislabeling folks? A spammer in one group may not be a spammer in every group. An alert about a spammer would be fine, but blackballing a person across all groups, without moderator control, seems problematic.


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Christopher Warrington
 

On 2020-05-05 at 3:53:02 PM, Larry Finch <Finches@...> wrote:

I manage this in the listserv groups I admininster by not automatically
removing a first poster from moderation. I wait until they have made
additional posts, each of which is reviewed and approved if it is real. If
they they truly belong they are removed from moderation. I used to manage
my Yahoo groups the same way. Is there an easy way to do that with gio?
Larry, I think the feature you're looking for is called "New Members
Moderated" [1]:

Select this checkbox if you want to approve the first message or first few
messages sent to the group by new members. This setting allows you to
check that new members follow your group’s requirements for posting
messages.
An option from the list to specify whether new members automatically are
no longer moderated after they send one approved message or after they
send two, three, or four consecutive approved messages. Or you can select
Not enabled (which is at the top of the list) to keep new members
moderated until you decide to unmoderate them manually
[1]: https://groups.io/helpcenter/ownersmanual/1/customizing-group-settings/spam-control-and-moderation-settings

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Christopher W. <lists@...>


moderated Re: Email only footer for users without http/s access #suggestion

Peter Mott <peter@...>
 

For example, a footer option to contain ONLY the text below would be most helpful:

GROUP EMAIL ADDRESSES

Post: grp-name@groups.io
Subscribe: grp-name+subscribe@groups.io
Unsubscribe: grp-name+unsubscribe@groups.io
Group Owner: grp-admin+owner@groups.io
Help: grp-name+help@groups.io

On 6/05/2020, at 02:42, Peter Mott <peter@...> wrote:

Please consider adding an optional system footer that does not contain any http/s links for members who are connected to the Internet over slow speed HF radio or satellite links and are only able to send and receive email.

Being able to subscribe / unsubscribe with a simple email without the need to visit the groups.io web site is valuable. Adding these links into the current system generated footer is not an acceptable work around as there is a requirement to reduce message payload to an absolute minimum. The transmission speed is 1200bps in most cases!

Compatibility with the distant past I know, but please give this request serious consideration.


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:35 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I think this is related to the change, but I'm not 100% sure.  On the GMF wiki home page, there are some strange codes inserted into the links in the TOC, though the links seem to work fine.  One of them is item 2.1 https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki#28a29-Your-Groups.io-Account where I don't remember seeing the 28a29 before.  (This is a link to an item further down the page, not a separate page.)  I also don't see that part in the source code of the page.  A quick check doesn't show in on other TOCs, but I haven't checked them all.  Maybe it only happens on the home page?

I didn't change any of that code. The only difference is that the URL would be .../wiki#28a29.... instead of .../wiki/Home#28a29....  I don't know where the 28a29 stuff came from, but it's in the wiki page.
 
I've also noticed that on some groups, clicking to get to the Wiki takes me to the group home page.  I know for sure that on one of them there are no wiki pages, though it's enabled, but I can't get in to create any pages.  I'm not sure whether the others have any pages or not, but it's not a graceful error.

Should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Email only footer for users without http/s access #suggestion

Peter Mott <peter@...>
 

Please consider adding an optional system footer that does not contain any http/s links for members who are connected to the Internet over slow speed HF radio or satellite links and are only able to send and receive email.

Being able to subscribe / unsubscribe with a simple email without the need to visit the groups.io web site is valuable.  Adding these links into the current system generated footer is not an acceptable work around as there is a requirement to reduce message payload to an absolute minimum.  The transmission speed is 1200bps in most cases!

Compatibility with the distant past I know, but please give this request serious consideration.


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

Duane
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 05:52 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know if you see any issues or have questions.
I think this is related to the change, but I'm not 100% sure.  On the GMF wiki home page, there are some strange codes inserted into the links in the TOC, though the links seem to work fine.  One of them is item 2.1 https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki#28a29-Your-Groups.io-Account where I don't remember seeing the 28a29 before.  (This is a link to an item further down the page, not a separate page.)  I also don't see that part in the source code of the page.  A quick check doesn't show in on other TOCs, but I haven't checked them all.  Maybe it only happens on the home page?

I've also noticed that on some groups, clicking to get to the Wiki takes me to the group home page.  I know for sure that on one of them there are no wiki pages, though it's enabled, but I can't get in to create any pages.  I'm not sure whether the others have any pages or not, but it's not a graceful error.

Duane


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Duane
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 05:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
At first glance, that sounds like a great idea.  After thinking about it a bit, I'm not so sure.  One concern is that some legitimate applicants may get reported based on the patterns of previous attempts we've seen.  And as Bruce mentioned, it can be difficult to tell while they're still pending.  Maybe it would be more applicable to have an action button on the member record to report it.  I just hope that if the option is added that it won't be abused by group owners.

Duane


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

KWKloeber
 

>>Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature<<
 
Hear, hear! 
Please do- and reporting be for non restricted as well?
 

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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Steph Mathews
 

Oh yes.  Please do.  Possibly some kind of tool that would alert the group owner that the person requesting to join could be a possible spammer?  Maybe?  If not, then that’s ok.  Thanks!

 

Have a blessed day!  Steph

 

From: Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:03 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

Hi All,

 

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

 

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

 

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Larry Finch
 

Hi, Mark;

I manage this in the listserv groups I admininster by not automatically removing a first poster from moderation. I wait until they have made additional posts, each of which is reviewed and approved if it is real. If they they truly belong they are removed from moderation. I used to manage my Yahoo groups the same way. Is there an easy way to do that with gio?

Keep well,
Larry

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:03 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
 
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
 
(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
 
 

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Larry Finch

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moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

Hi All,

I've changed the wiki. It now uses the wiki page id, a globally unique number, instead of the wiki page title. It is backwards compatible, in that it will redirect from a URL referencing a wiki title to the proper page. But note that if you change the title of a wiki page, it will still break existing links that utilize the old wiki page title.

Please let me know if you see any issues or have questions.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Sarah, I'm not trying to make this too obvious. But you could use the owners email address to let members report suspicious activity to you from other members if they need to be reported and sent to Mark.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I think that is also a good idea. I won't want to accidentally report a member who really is a member and have it be a false positive. Would there be a way maybe for subscribers to report them to me first using a form on the list, then I use that data to report it to you using that "button?"

Take care

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On 5 May 2020, at 15:14, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher markf@corp.groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

Thanks,
Mark



moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think that is also a good idea. I won't want to accidentally report a member who really is a member and have it be a false positive. Would there be a way maybe for subscribers to report them to me first using a form on the list, then I use that data to report it to you using that "button?"

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 May 2020, at 15:14, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher markf@corp.groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Donald Hellen
 

Yes!

Donald

On Tue, 5 May 2020 15:02:33 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?

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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh heck yes, I would use this even on nonrestricted groups. I will not tolerate spammer, and they should be band from the whole of groups.io, right down to their IP although that might be a bit extreme. But we've got to get rid of those idiots once and for all.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 May 2020, at 15:02, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,
 
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
 
(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
 
 
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 06:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
If such a tool is implemented, it shouldn't be restricted to those in Pending status. It's hard to know that someone's a spammer until they actually send some. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Michael Chopra
 

Hi. I would also use such a feature, I think it would help a lot of people.
Thanks.
From Michael.


From: main@beta.groups.io on behalf of Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Reporting a pending subscriber #misc
 
Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.
> On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
>
> (fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>