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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Duane
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 05:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
At first glance, that sounds like a great idea.  After thinking about it a bit, I'm not so sure.  One concern is that some legitimate applicants may get reported based on the patterns of previous attempts we've seen.  And as Bruce mentioned, it can be difficult to tell while they're still pending.  Maybe it would be more applicable to have an action button on the member record to report it.  I just hope that if the option is added that it won't be abused by group owners.

Duane


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

KWKloeber
 

>>Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature<<
 
Hear, hear! 
Please do- and reporting be for non restricted as well?
 

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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Steph Mathews
 

Oh yes.  Please do.  Possibly some kind of tool that would alert the group owner that the person requesting to join could be a possible spammer?  Maybe?  If not, then that’s ok.  Thanks!

 

Have a blessed day!  Steph

 

From: Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:03 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

Hi All,

 

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

 

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

 

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Larry Finch
 

Hi, Mark;

I manage this in the listserv groups I admininster by not automatically removing a first poster from moderation. I wait until they have made additional posts, each of which is reviewed and approved if it is real. If they they truly belong they are removed from moderation. I used to manage my Yahoo groups the same way. Is there an easy way to do that with gio?

Keep well,
Larry

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:03 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,
 
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
 
(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
 
 

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moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

Hi All,

I've changed the wiki. It now uses the wiki page id, a globally unique number, instead of the wiki page title. It is backwards compatible, in that it will redirect from a URL referencing a wiki title to the proper page. But note that if you change the title of a wiki page, it will still break existing links that utilize the old wiki page title.

Please let me know if you see any issues or have questions.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Sarah, I'm not trying to make this too obvious. But you could use the owners email address to let members report suspicious activity to you from other members if they need to be reported and sent to Mark.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:40 PM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I think that is also a good idea. I won't want to accidentally report a member who really is a member and have it be a false positive. Would there be a way maybe for subscribers to report them to me first using a form on the list, then I use that data to report it to you using that "button?"

Take care

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On 5 May 2020, at 15:14, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher markf@corp.groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

Thanks,
Mark



moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Sarah k Alawami
 

I think that is also a good idea. I won't want to accidentally report a member who really is a member and have it be a false positive. Would there be a way maybe for subscribers to report them to me first using a form on the list, then I use that data to report it to you using that "button?"

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 May 2020, at 15:14, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher markf@corp.groups.io wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Donald Hellen
 

Yes!

Donald

On Tue, 5 May 2020 15:02:33 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?

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moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh heck yes, I would use this even on nonrestricted groups. I will not tolerate spammer, and they should be band from the whole of groups.io, right down to their IP although that might be a bit extreme. But we've got to get rid of those idiots once and for all.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum] Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 5 May 2020, at 15:02, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,
 
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
 
(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
 
 
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 06:03 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature?
If such a tool is implemented, it shouldn't be restricted to those in Pending status. It's hard to know that someone's a spammer until they actually send some. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Michael Chopra
 

Hi. I would also use such a feature, I think it would help a lot of people.
Thanks.
From Michael.


From: main@beta.groups.io on behalf of Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 10:14
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Reporting a pending subscriber #misc
 
Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.
> On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
>
> (fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>





moderated Re: Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

Joseph Hudson
 

Hi Mark, yes I would definitely use such a feature. I think just in case if they apply with a valid email address and valid name and they start spamming the group with messages, for those of us that do not approve messages I would like to also see that we have a button that we can hit on their membership that would report them for spamming the group after they have been approved. It would be a such as approved the member, see what they do, and then report and remove that way that it is brought to your attention.

On May 5, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?

(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).


Thanks,
Mark


moderated Reporting a pending subscriber #misc

 

Hi All,
 
For those of you with restricted groups, if I added a feature where you could report someone who had applied to your group that you thought was a spammer, would you use that feature? It would filter up to something system wide. Are there other tools I could provide to help weed these jerks out?
 
(fully acknowledging that this would only be one signal in evaluating if someone was a spammer).
 
 
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: FW: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups #misc

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 10:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Someone who had received one of the mask messages via a group unhelpfully and deliberately reported it to our hosting provider as spam.
Such action may have been well - intentioned, even if misguided.

I need to figure out additional measures to try to curtail this from happening in the future.
As an interim measure how about guidance that owners & moderators can provide to their own group members?

Sometimes having a Restricted group is very distinctly advantageous... potential troublemakers may not be able to find a convincing reason for joining...  that is if they even bother to try.

Chris


moderated Re: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups #misc

Joseph Hudson
 

Joseph, well I'm not Mark, I don't think there's much he can do. Except mandate everybody to approve their subscribers. And/or have their message limits set to whatever. I know it makes more work for the individual owners and co-owners and moderators, but it may be what we have to do.

On May 5, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Mark,
I think you might want to do something about this, as it’s been happening to several lists.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io<GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Finch
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:53 PM
To: groupmanagersforum@groups.io
Subject: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups

The user abnersadik96@ GMAIL.COM has been joining groups with a reasonable first post, then spamming the group promoting their sale of masks.

If you see a notice that they have joined your group you might want to ban them. At the least keep them moderated after their first post.

Larry

[Mod Note: The same spammer tried to do this in GMF, too. He has been joining multiple groups using different gmail addresses.]


moderated Re: FW: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups #misc

 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:57 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

I think you might want to do something about this, as it’s been happening to several lists.



I had already disabled this account this morning, along with 5 other accounts for the same thing. This person subscribes to a bunch of groups, sends an innocuous initial message to get past any NMM setting, and then sends out their spam message (all via the website, which strikes me as very labor intensive).

Someone who had received one of the mask messages via a group unhelpfully and deliberately reported it to our hosting provider as spam.

I need to figure out additional measures to try to curtail this from happening in the future. Sigh.

Mark


moderated FW: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups #misc

 

Hi Mark,

I think you might want to do something about this, as it’s been happening to several lists.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: GroupManagersForum@groups.io <GroupManagersForum@groups.io> On Behalf Of Larry Finch
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:53 PM
To: groupmanagersforum@groups.io
Subject: [GMF] Spammer attacking multiple groups

 

The user abnersadik96@ GMAIL.COM has been joining groups with a reasonable first post, then spamming the group promoting their sale of masks.

 

If you see a notice that they have joined your group you might want to ban them. At the least keep them moderated after their first post.

 

Larry

 

[Mod Note: The same spammer tried to do this in GMF, too. He has been joining multiple groups using different gmail addresses.]


moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jim Avera
 

Mark,
It's still a problem, at least for subscribers with certain MUAs.  I use Thunderbird, and the default reply action is always "Reply To List" even though the group is a [Announce-Only, Reply-to-Sender,Remove-other-options] group.  

Even though configured to omit all options other than reply-to-sender, GIO is embedding many headers which contain the group posting email address:

Sender: mygroupname@groups.io
List-Id: <mygroupname@groups.io>
Mailing-List: list mygroupname@groups.io; contact ...
Delivered-To: mailing list mygroupname@groups.io
List-Post: <mailto:mygroupname@groups.io>

Are all these necessary?   I'm suspicious of List-Post and Mailing-List in particular.  If these are not *required* by some protocol, it might be best to omit them for groups configured to not allow reply-to-list.  Ideally the post-to-list email address would not appear anywhere in the message in that case (perhaps it could be mangled so a human would know what it is, but no MUA could know the posting address).

I'll attach the actual headers from a message I received recently from our group.

Thanks.


moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

 

Another (minor) issue is that the action available to the moderator is “send confirmation message” but it is logged in the activity log as “resent confirmation message.” This is confusing because “send” reads as if it has not already been sent and you’re sending it for the first time.


On May 5, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 03:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It shows in the activity log but does not show in her email delivery history. So that's a definite bug, and probably just a logging bug
Another possible shortcoming is that while a Moderator resending a Confirmation Email is logged (albeit not as completely as it might be) a member responding to it has no coresponding activity logged; the only way a Moderator can see if the prompt has been actioned is to trawl through the membership list to see if the flag has gone away.

I cannot remember if it was on this forum or GMF but someone suggested an enhanced drop - down selection for "Members". Being able to find the NCs easily might be a worthwhile function.

Chris

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J

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moderated Re: Welcome message delivered to NC members #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 03:14 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
It shows in the activity log but does not show in her email delivery history. So that's a definite bug, and probably just a logging bug
Another possible shortcoming is that while a Moderator resending a Confirmation Email is logged (albeit not as completely as it might be) a member responding to it has no coresponding activity logged; the only way a Moderator can see if the prompt has been actioned is to trawl through the membership list to see if the flag has gone away.

I cannot remember if it was on this forum or GMF but someone suggested an enhanced drop - down selection for "Members". Being able to find the NCs easily might be a worthwhile function.

Chris

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