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moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 09:37 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
I also use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me.  But these drafts are in my Apple Mail program, independent of Groups.io.
This purge/deletion, if implemented, would have nothing to do with anything stored on your computer, only on the site.

Duane


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

txercoupemuseum.org
 

I am confused by the terminology (or lack thereof) being used here.

I also use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me.  But these drafts are in my Apple Mail program, independent of Groups.io.

Am I misinformed?

WRB

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On Apr 23, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Tony Moody <aim@...> wrote:

Hallo Mark,

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Thanks,
Tony

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moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Marv Waschke
 

I would be glad to see drafts automatically purged. My drafts older than a day or so are just clutter to remember to delete. For what it's worth, I keep snips of text that I want to reuse in group messages organized in a OneNote notebook. There are many different ways you can devise to manage text that you reuse other than groups.io drafts.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 03:53 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Tony -- You can store them as a Member Notices of type "Note to Member." Unfortunately, at this time there is no convenient way to subsequently send that member notice to the entire group. You'll have to open two browser tabs and copy/paste from one to the other.

In this context I'd like to have a pull-down menu in the New Topic dialog that would allow me to select a Note to Member and send it to everyone as a regular post. Available to Mods only, of course.

Bruce


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Duane
 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database
I try to remember to check about once a month to see whether I have any drafts on my groups.  They're always inadvertent when I do find one.  For those, like Tony, that intentionally use them, an indication on the Your Groups page, https://groups.io/groups, might make folks more aware of them and reduce the numbers.  Maybe a blue, boxed D in the Delivery column or next to the group name?  I suspect there are some folks that don't even know they exist, especially those that use email most of the time.  I would have no problem with the 2 week timeout though.

Duane


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Tony Moody
 

Hallo Mark,

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Thanks,
Tony


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks for the heads up. I was actually hoping this could be implemented soon.

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On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:11, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Currently, we do not automatically delete old drafts. I propose changing this to be in-line with our other deletion policies (ie unclaimed pending subs/messages), where we would delete drafts older than 2 weeks. 

I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database, with the oldest dating back to March 10, 2016, which I'm guessing is the day I introduced the feature.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

 

Hi,

Not on my groups, although I imagine someone may say they might be writing a message for distribution in the future and prefer to leave it as a draft.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Drafts policy change #update

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:17 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

 

Can this be configurable on per-group or subgroup basis?

 

 

No it would not be. Is there any reason you'd want to keep a draft for more than 2 weeks?

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

 

Agreed. Also, can we get an email notification of when someone likes something? I'd also like to try the app with VoiceOver. Could you PM me with app beta instructions and list information?


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:17 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Can this be configurable on per-group or subgroup basis?



No it would not be. Is there any reason you'd want to keep a draft for more than 2 weeks?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

 

Hi Mark,

Can this be configurable on per-group or subgroup basis?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:12 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Drafts policy change #update

 

Hi All,

 

Currently, we do not automatically delete old drafts. I propose changing this to be in-line with our other deletion policies (ie unclaimed pending subs/messages), where we would delete drafts older than 2 weeks. 

 

I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database, with the oldest dating back to March 10, 2016, which I'm guessing is the day I introduced the feature.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Drafts policy change #update

 

Hi All,

Currently, we do not automatically delete old drafts. I propose changing this to be in-line with our other deletion policies (ie unclaimed pending subs/messages), where we would delete drafts older than 2 weeks. 

I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database, with the oldest dating back to March 10, 2016, which I'm guessing is the day I introduced the feature.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Email delivery issues #update

Jim Rumbaugh
 

This is killing us.  I myself have an earthlink address and messages are taking 12-24 hours to arrive lately.  Might it be possible to at least prioritize messages to small mailing lists which would not generate as much traffic as a main list for an organization?  We have a lot of groups for committees and such and it is important that those get through quickly.  For the big main group, one can at least go to the groups.io website to view the messages, which show up immediately, but it is hard to continually scan a list of specialized groups to see if new messages have arrived.


moderated Account anomaly? #misc

Duane
 

While doing a test, in an attempt to resolve a question on GMF, I intentionally created an account using a non-existent email address, including setting a password.  I immediately got the red bouncing message at the top of the screen, as expected.  I didn't see any indication of Not Confirmed status, neither on that account, nor on the application to a group, just a blue B.  The account was never confirmed.  I then proceeded to merge it into an existing account to complete the test.

I then tried to join a restricted group using the same address (after it had been merged, thus creating another new account.)  As far as I can tell, it never showed NC for status, going directly to blue B.  I'll obviously never be able to confirm, nor unbounce, that account, so what happens to it?  Does it sit in the system forever or will it be purged at some point?  This would be the situation if someone mistyped their email address when joining their first group, without having a password.  Is it still considered an account, with a system entry in the database, or is it in a pending queue?

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Messages filter custom date range issue #bug

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

on the Messages display, you can filter messages by custom date range.  The date range selection allows a start date to be greater than the end date leading to zero search results.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Change email command name for individual emails #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

the email command to get individual messages is <groupname>+single@groups.io (assuming no subgroups).  The use of the word 'single' here now seems to be inconsistent with other references and on the Subscriptions page where the word 'individual' is used. Is there any reason why we can't have <groupname>+individual@... for the email command?  The <groupname>+help@... response would need to be updated if so.

I guess this is a follow on from a topic here on beta last year

Regards,
Andy


moderated Email delivery issues #update

 

Hi All,

Recently some email service providers have been throttling emails from us. I'm happy to report that two of them, Comcast and Cox, have today raised their limits and email is flowing at a more normal rate (Cox will probably take a few hours to catch up).

That leaves Orange.fr/Wanadoo.fr, GoDaddy, and Earthlink/Mindspring/Netcom. I haven't been able to contact anyone at those services. I'm investigating some technical changes to how we send email which might help with Orange.fr. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Code at Admin>Promote does not work reliably #suggestion

 

I've noticed this as well


moderated Code at Admin>Promote does not work reliably #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

The code snippet for the group Subscribe button found at Admin>Promote (intended to embed in an off-site web page) often fails to work.

If someone is already logged into groups.io, entering their email address and clicking on "Subscribe" takes them to their groups home page at https://groups.io/groups with no explanation as to why they landed there.

If the provided email address already has an account, they do land on the Join page, but their subsequent signup fails to work. They are forced to log in and re-find the group home page on their own.

Only when the email address does not already have a groups.io account does the signup link work as expected.

I do understand the reason for all this. Anyone can enter anyone else's email address in that box and click Subscribe, perhaps multiple times, signing up people that might not really want to join the group. It just seems that it ought to fail more gracefully...perhaps by taking the person to the group home page with a banner notice. I am receptive to other ideas.

Thanks for your consideration,
Bruce


moderated Allow formatting options on rejected message pop-up panel #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

Hi Mark,

there are no message formatting options on the pop-up panel where you can type details of why a message is being rejected. It is possible to select a previously defined member notice but any formatting defined when that message was created is lost when it is copied into the rejected message panel.

Can we have the same formatting options on the rejected message panel that we have when typing a normal message?

Thanks,
Andy