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moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 02:22 PM, William Ellis wrote:
I understand people's reluctance to change something that they "see no value" but for those of us with groups where it would be a plus - why not.
IIRC, the main concern expressed with the new homepage wasn't so much the addition of an "Active Topics" div, but that the big "Top Hashtags" buttons tend to dominate the layout. In turn, the current hashtag layout is difficult to tap/navigate on mobile devices.

If the new layout was implemented in conjunction with a setting to hide the "Top Hashtags" div entirely, I believe this might go a long way toward resolution of the deadlock.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Mark;

How about giving the Admin of a group the right to upgrade the home page?  I understand people's reluctance to change something that they "see no value" but for those of us with groups where it would be a plus - why not.

I don't know what it is like to do something like letting people select and I am sure it is more work than rolling it out everywhere.

We.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I would still like to roll it out everywhere because I think it's a superior experience.
Will it be an option or mandatory?  I still have the same reservations about the new page layout as when it was originally announced.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 06:35 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I made a mistake and forgot to remove that from the list before I posted it.
If it was just a mistake then no problem. At least we understand the discrepancy between the changelog and what actually changed. Hopefully the changes to the homepage and the Zoom integration can be rolled out shortly.

Many thanks,
Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:27 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
I've seen the previous discussions on the hompage changes and the recent release and rollback of the zoom integration. I am still perplexed by the fact that these changes were included in the changelog when in fact they had not been released. How many of the others in this week's list are like this?


(Many snarky responses typed and deleted).

I made a mistake and forgot to remove that from the list before I posted it.


Mark


moderated Re: Digest generation problem #bug

Jim Avera
 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 04:12 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is anyone else encountering missing messages in digests?
I think I've received a couple of "digests" containing only a single message in the past week.


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
 
The new home page is still only on beta and a couple other groups. I'd like to roll it out everywhere, but when I proposed that awhile ago, there was ... consternation. I would still like to roll it out everywhere because I think it's a superior experience. I will probably enable it for all new groups starting next week.
 
 
The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta) and I don't see an option to define a new calendar event as a Zoom meeting.

I had to turn it off when I realized it only worked for my Zoom account until I had it approved by Zoom. That process is on-going.
I've seen the previous discussions on the hompage changes and the recent release and rollback of the zoom integration. I am still perplexed by the fact that these changes were included in the changelog when in fact they had not been released. How many of the others in this week's list are like this?

I'd like to see the homepage changes on my group and we will certainly make use of the Zoom integration once it is approved.

Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:43 PM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 04:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
  • NEW: Added a search bar to the new group home page/did some rearraigning of the page (as seen on beta@).
  • NEW: Added Zoom integration to the calendar. You can now set up Zoom meetings when you create new events.

I'm seeing no evidence of these changes on my group/subgroups.

The new home page is still only on beta and a couple other groups. I'd like to roll it out everywhere, but when I proposed that awhile ago, there was ... consternation. I would still like to roll it out everywhere because I think it's a superior experience. I will probably enable it for all new groups starting next week.

 
The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta) and I don't see an option to define a new calendar event as a Zoom meeting.

I had to turn it off when I realized it only worked for my Zoom account until I had it approved by Zoom. That process is on-going.

Mark 


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

Peter Cook
 

Under the heading of "there are no guarantees in life," I'd add that Google has shuttered (or marginalized) well over a hundred services. And some are on life support. If they decide groups doesn't support their core business, it'll likely be gone. Whatever you choose, I'd make sure it gives you the ability to export the content in the event you need to migrate again.

Pete


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi Andy,
My understanding of „new group home page“ is that this change is only applied to new groups - i.e. any groups created from today onwards.
I can imagine that some group owners wouldn‘t want their existing home pages to be changed automatically.
Let‘s see what Mark says. 

Thomas

Am 04.04.2020 um 14:05 schrieb Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...>:

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Duane wrote:
No, it doesn't.  It says the change was made to "the new group home page" which hasn't been rolled out to any group other than beta.
The way it reads to me is that the change has been rolled out so that it now looks the same as beta. If it is just a change to beta, I don't see the point on including that on a general release note which is also posted on the Updates group which is the 'Official announcement group for updates to the Groups.io service' (taken from the group homepage) and has 1.25 million members. Purely from a business point of view, it doesn't make sense to do that.

In the past, other changes have been made just on beta and those of us in the group have had chance to test them before they are rolled out to all and included on the changelog.

Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 12:27 PM, Duane wrote:
No, it doesn't.  It says the change was made to "the new group home page" which hasn't been rolled out to any group other than beta.
The way it reads to me is that the change has been rolled out so that it now looks the same as beta. If it is just a change to beta, I don't see the point on including that on a general release note which is also posted on the Updates group which is the 'Official announcement group for updates to the Groups.io service' (taken from the group homepage) and has 1.25 million members. Purely from a business point of view, it doesn't make sense to do that.

In the past, other changes have been made just on beta and those of us in the group have had chance to test them before they are rolled out to all and included on the changelog.

Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 05:56 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
But that's precisely what the changelog says has happened.  If it hasn't, why is it in the changelog?
No, it doesn't.  It says the change was made to "the new group home page" which hasn't been rolled out to any group other than beta.  It's available on the beta group so we can see what it looks like and test it here.

Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 10:00 AM, Duane wrote:
It hasn't been rolled out to all groups yet.
But that's precisely what the changelog says has happened.  If it hasn't, why is it in the changelog?

Andy


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 01:43 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I'm seeing no evidence of these changes on my group/subgroups. The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta)
Since June of last year, beta is the only group that has the home page redesign, https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/32057590  It hasn't been rolled out to all groups yet.

Duane


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 04:58 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
  • NEW: Added a search bar to the new group home page/did some rearraigning of the page (as seen on beta@).
  • NEW: Added Zoom integration to the calendar. You can now set up Zoom meetings when you create new events.
Hi Mark,

I'm seeing no evidence of these changes on my group/subgroups. The homepage(s) look the same as before (they don't look like beta) and I don't see an option to define a new calendar event as a Zoom meeting.

Regards,
Andy


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Improvements to our log file grepping system to help track down problems.
  • NEW: Many updates to the new Help Center, Owners Manual and Members Manual.
  • CHANGE: Lots of little wording tweaks on the website to make things more consistent.
  • CHANGE: For messages sent to the +owner address, delete any existing To header and replace it with listname+owner@groups.io, to make it more clear where the message was sent.
  • API: Added /newgroupalias and /deletegroupalias endpoints.
  • NEW: Added a search bar to the new group home page/did some rearraigning of the page (as seen on beta@).
  • API: Added /unbanmember endpoint.
  • BUGFIX: When uploading a directory to the Files section, the description was not added to the top level folder.
  • BUGFIX: Repost was not working in the Topic view.
  • NEW: Added Zoom integration to the calendar. You can now set up Zoom meetings when you create new events.
  • CHANGE: Cap message subject line length at 1000 characters.
  • CHANGE: For groups set to Reply To Sender, no longer add the CC header to point back to the group. When replying-to-all, it would create a duplicate mailing.
  • CHANGE: Improved the formatting of the new Owners Manual PDF.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the machine instance responsible for sending email.
  • INTERNAL: To display attachments on the website, now redirect to S3 in many cases instead of us fetching/returning the data.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Digest generation problem #bug

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 8:32 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- I received Digest #1610 for GMF at 10:46 PM EDT last night, containing 12 messages #30894-30905. No problem.

This morning at 6 AM, I received Digest #1611 with a single message in it...#30913. The intervening 7 messages #30906-30912 were never emailed to me.


I've spent all afternoon trying to track this down, and frustratingly I don't have an answer yet. Something happened to those 7 messages between the times you sent two messages at 9:33pm and 9:49pm pacific time. I'm still investigating.

Is anyone else encountering missing messages in digests?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Digest generation problem #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- I received Digest #1610 for GMF at 10:46 PM EDT last night, containing 12 messages #30894-30905. No problem.

This morning at 6 AM, I received Digest #1611 with a single message in it...#30913. The intervening 7 messages #30906-30912 were never emailed to me.

FYI,
Bruce


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

Bob Bellizzi
 

You  replied to an old thread and I fail to understand what "like to be ahead on this issue" actually means to you.

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

John Wirtz SF
 

Well I am already a premium customer and though I am in favour of paying for the service as long as visible support exists, I think it would be slicker with an integrated tables facilities.

 

The main reason for our organisation to go for this kind of group is that it delivers message direct to the member’s inbox.  And all members have the option to respond for all to see.  I like this type of openness and we’ve had a group for nearly twenty years and only a very small handful of behaviour issues.  AND ONE CAN KEEP IT PRIVATE.

 

But, I have more pressing things to do than maintain my messaging system beyond the essential matters.  So, easing routine maintenance task such as member management would be very welcome.

 

Cheers

 

John Wirtz

 

 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of SP4149
Sent: 01 April 2020 20:19
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] GIO in the long term

 

Last fall it was mentioned that large lists would have to upgrade to Premium, based on the number of subscribers.  Then the issue was suspended during the YG meltdown.
I have several lists considering upgrades to Premium.  I would like to be ahead on this issue, avoiding an "Oh, by the way" surprise.

ken