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moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

 

When I try to create an event with my personal meeting ID I get the below error message.

Client Groups.ioAccount LevelYou cannot authorize the app This app cannot be installed outside of the developer's account. Please contact the application developer to get support with installing this application.

Does it require a Zoom Premium subscription? I'm running Windows 10, 1909, using the latest FireFox.


moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

Glenn Glazer
 

On 3/31/2020 13:29, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

I've just pushed Zoom integration to production. If you've used the Zoom Chrome plugin before with GCal, it works much the same way. When you create or edit a single calendar event, there is a new button, 'Make This A Zoom Meeting'. Click that, a window will pop up to log into Zoom (first time only), and then you'll get a dialog box to set the parameters of your Zoom meeting. Once you create the Zoom meeting, it'll populate the location and description fields of your event with the relevant information and add the #zoom hashtag to the event name. You can also delete your Zoom meeting while editing your event.

This currently does not work with repeating events.

I had originally decided that this would be a premium feature, but with lots of people using Zoom to stay in touch during the pandemic, it will be available to everyone through September 1st.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Just as a heads-up, there was a recent Zoom bug on iOS that caused Zoom to leak data to Facebook. They have since dropped the Facebook integration, so make sure you update the app before using it.

Best,

Glenn


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moderated Zoom integration now active #update

 

Hi All,

I've just pushed Zoom integration to production. If you've used the Zoom Chrome plugin before with GCal, it works much the same way. When you create or edit a single calendar event, there is a new button, 'Make This A Zoom Meeting'. Click that, a window will pop up to log into Zoom (first time only), and then you'll get a dialog box to set the parameters of your Zoom meeting. Once you create the Zoom meeting, it'll populate the location and description fields of your event with the relevant information and add the #zoom hashtag to the event name. You can also delete your Zoom meeting while editing your event.

This currently does not work with repeating events.

I had originally decided that this would be a premium feature, but with lots of people using Zoom to stay in touch during the pandemic, it will be available to everyone through September 1st.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Reply Composition #bug

 

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 1:00 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I just attempted to make a reply on one of my groups and got the Markdown (MD) composition window.  I went to my account, changed it to plain text (though it showed HTML), and still get the MD window.  Changed it back to HTML, still showing MD window.  I'm going to leave it there, hoping Mark is playing with an idea and this will be straightened out shortly.

I'm not aware of any issues with that, and I haven't touched that code in awhile. My guess is that there's something causing a javascript error. Off-list, please send me the URL of the message you're trying to reply to and I'll investigate.

If anyone else is seeing this, please also send me the URL off-list.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Reply Composition #bug

Duane
 

I just attempted to make a reply on one of my groups and got the Markdown (MD) composition window.  I went to my account, changed it to plain text (though it showed HTML), and still get the MD window.  Changed it back to HTML, still showing MD window.  I'm going to leave it there, hoping Mark is playing with an idea and this will be straightened out shortly.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Markdown Support #suggestion

 

Hi All,

We do support markdown in email, as outlined here: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/1318

You'll be forgiven for not knowing about this, since it's so obscure and supported by (I believe) exactly one email client. :-)

Note that we don't do any conversions of those messages before we send them out (so all email recipients see the original markdown when viewing the message in their clients), but we do display them correctly on the website.

Conversely, if you have your Editor Preference set to Markdown and you compose a message on the website, we send that out with both HTML and plain text parts.

Like I said in the referenced message, I'm happy to add support for flagging a message as markdown if we can agree on the magic word/set of characters. If we do, I think it probably makes sense to convert those messages to HTML before sending them out to the group (ie change the current behavior). This would definitely be a niche thing, (for amongst other reasons) because I'm not sure it's even possible to force Gmail and the other web-based clients to send out just a plain text email anymore.

Thanks,
Mark



moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 07:34 AM, Jim Avera wrote:

If "Reply to" in Group settings is set to "sender", and "Remove Other Reply Options" is checked, messages still contain a CC: header pointing to the group post address.   This permits users to reply to the group through email, but not on the web.  This is almost certainly not what the owner intended.  I'm guessing this is a #bug.

Well, not a bug because it's doing what it was designed to do, but I think the design was wrong. For Reply To Sender groups, we were adding a CC line pointing back to the group email address. I think I added that because of reasons explained here: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/2181, but on reflection that is wrong because when someone clicks the Reply All button in their email client, the client already includes the To address, which is the group. On testing with Gmail, with the CC line, and doing Reply All, you end up sending the reply to the group twice (because it used the addresses in the To and CC lines).

I have removed this CC line for Reply To Sender groups. Please let me know if it causes a problem.

Now, to what I think you're asking: is there a way to disable Reply All in email clients. I think the answer is yes, if I re-write the To line in messages so that, instead of being the group email address, the To line is the recipient of the email message. Then the group email address would not appear anywhere in the message headers and Reply All would not send the message to the group. But, I think this would make it very difficult for someone to determine if a message they received was sent to them via the group or just by someone replying to a message the person originally sent to the group. I think this would be confusing. Thoughts?

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Event: Mail server upgrade #downtime - Monday, 30 March 2020 #downtime #cal-invite

Chris Aldrich
 

I didn't know about this downtime until one of my group members emailed asking about the delay in receipt of email messages that were visible on our group's page.

I first checked status.groups.io where there was nothing to indicate this downtime. Next I checked GMF (nada) and the Beta, where I found this message. I thought Bera was the place to discuss potential improvements to groups.io and I get the Beta messages in Full Digest since (I thought) there was no particular need for speed in reading them. I was surprised that it was the place that this announcement was posted. 

All of this is to say - is there a more expedient way for Group Owners and Moderators to be notified of anticipated #downtime? Is there something else I should be subscribed to?

Thanks much - we love groups.io and I just suggested it to the admin of a nearly-defunct Y group that I belong to.
Chris


moderated Re: Markdown Support #suggestion

 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 05:00 PM, Bill Costa wrote:
Perhaps starting the body of a plain text message with a first
line of ".markdown", or something similar, to signal that the text
should be poured though the markdown filter before posting and
storage?
I just wanted to note that it seems to be a common thing that a text entry starting with "%md" (without the quotes) indicates that text should be treated as Markdown. I checked the RFCs but don't see any reference to that, so that's why I'm saying it just seems to be common practice rather than a standard. For example, starting a message with:

%md ##This message is in **Markdown**!

would cause the message to be interpreted in Markdown. That's one option.

JohnF


moderated Event: Mail server upgrade #downtime - Monday, 30 March 2020 #downtime #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Mail server upgrade #downtime

When:
Monday, 30 March 2020
5:00pm to 6:30pm
(UTC-07:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

The last three weeks we've seen a marked increase in message traffic. I need to upgrade the email server to better handle the additional load. Email will be queued up during this time and delivered once the upgrade is complete. No other parts of the site will be affected.


moderated Re: Database feature request

Alan Winson
 

Even the Yahoo group that we moved here allowed you to insert a row into a database.  It's the one thing I can think of that Yahoo did better than groups.io

The argument about database design is irrelevant.  Programs should conform to what users specify, not the other way around.  I'm sure there is nothing about database design that says inserting a row is bad design.  If the implementation chosen by a programmer does not allow the program to meet the requirements, then the fault is not with the requirements.

All the comments about ways to circumvent this shortcoming are of no help for certain databases, including mine.  If groups.io remembered the sort order, we could insert a column used only for sorting the rows and hide that column after we are done sorting.  But the sort order is not remembered, is it?

It is apparent, more than two years after the last comment I can find on this, that groups.io is not going to implement row insertion.  So when I need to insert a row, I export my groups.io database to my computer, update the exported file however I please, and then back on groups.io I delete all the rows and then import the file from my computer.  I am not impressed.  I don't need to do it often, but it's not a good circumvention for someone who needs to insert rows frequently.

However, I love everything else I've found so far about groups.io.


moderated Re: Markdown Support #suggestion

 

I'd like to be able to use markdown via email, as well. It would make writing much easier.


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

 

Hmm...

Bruce wrote:

Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side
menu bar?

Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.
I think that "Subscription" there is a useful choice to make it clearly distinct, at least for moderators, from the Members page.

A distinction that I think may be semantically useful is to use "subscription" ("subscriber", etc.) in an email context, and "membership" ("member", etc.) in a web or comprehensive (both web and email) context.

Hence the Subscription page could stay "Subscription" because its controls are (almost) entirely about delivery of messages and notices to you by email.

The Members list, by contrast, is comprehensive: it controls members' activity on both web and email.

Other usages could be judged by that same criteria.

Shal


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

dave w
 

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 03:48 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side menu bar?

Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.
I agree with you Bruce.
Subscription is a verb, it is a process one is enacting- once applied you become a 'member'. Problem solved- or at least less confusing, no reason subcriber (act of subscribing/ applying) isn't clear as same issue. A temporary or transitional clarity is good. Whether said 'person' is them a subscriber (noun) or a member is clear once the act is performed.
Don't throw baby out with the bath water,
cheers dave


moderated Markdown Support #suggestion

Bill Costa
 

Any chance of providing Markdown support for messages submitted via
email? Perhaps starting the body of a plain text message with a first
line of ".markdown", or something similar, to signal that the text
should be poured though the markdown filter before posting and
storage?

...BC


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

ro-esp
 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 05:55 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member"
From a semantic viewpoint, I have to disagree.

When an outsider sends a message to a group and receives the answers, that person is a user but not a member or subscriber of that group



groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 03:48 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.
Part of me understands that comment, but at the same time if Mark's original our tech writer has been suggesting some changes to make things more consistent is to apply then things need to be more, er, consistent.

Chris


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:26 AM, Duane wrote:
For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?
Is the next step to change Subscription to Membership on the left-side menu bar?

Personally, I think we're getting a little carried away with all this.

Bruce


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

 

Chris,

Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous
with "member" ...
Only in a group context. In an account context "user" is mora appropriate because the person may not be a member of any groups.

The uses in the Help page look correct to me, except possibly in the case of the Invite section. There the invitee may not (yet) qualify as even a user of Groups.io, so perhaps:

"We will send an email invitation to each /address/. To join the group, each /person/ simply has to click on the link within the invitation, or reply to the invitation."

/emphasis mine/

Shal


moderated Re: Terminology change #update

Chris Jones
 

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 02:26 PM, Duane wrote:
For more overall consistency, shouldn't these be Pending Membership and Rejected Membership?
... which is the point I was making without actually saying it.

I have since found that the word "user" appears 6 times on the official Help Page. To be fair it is pretty clear that "user" is synonymous with "member" and prevents the word member being used to the point of exhaustion.

Chris