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locked Re: conformation of muted topics

David P. Dillard
 

No fear, there is always Google Translate. <g>


I have sent a mail as a suggestion to allow, that you can edit the confirmation message that gets someone like
who wants to register and before you have given approval.
See if this is done and how quickly.



Every one have a great weekend.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Sat, 4 Apr 2015, Marten Post Uiterweer wrote:

Oh, sorry, a dutch message to the wrong list...
 
Marten
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:20:53 +0200 Marten Post Uiterweer <marten@p-u.demon.nl> wrote:
 
Hoi Corine,
 
Ik heb als suggestie een mail gestuurd om ook mogelijk te maken, dat je de confirm message kan bewerken, die iemand krijgt
als die wil inschrijven en voordat je goedkeuring hebt gegeven.
Kijken of dit wordt gedaan en hoe snel.
 
Groet, Marten
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 12:38:08 +0100 emily <fallenangel09@mail.com> wrote:
 
hi.

yes.

on the website

exactly what you said.. i'm muting threads, without actually knowing they are being muted

so what i'd like is an email conformation before a thread actually gets muted

thanks

On 04/04/2015 00:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@mail.com wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation
that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get
some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link
in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io
website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: conformation of muted topics

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Oh, sorry, a dutch message to the wrong list...
 
Marten

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:20:53 +0200 Marten Post Uiterweer <marten@...> wrote:
 
Hoi Corine,
 
Ik heb als suggestie een mail gestuurd om ook mogelijk te maken, dat je de confirm message kan bewerken, die iemand krijgt als die wil inschrijven en voordat je goedkeuring hebt gegeven.
Kijken of dit wordt gedaan en hoe snel.
 
Groet, Marten
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 12:38:08 +0100 emily <fallenangel09@...> wrote:
 
hi.

yes.

on the website

exactly what you said.. i'm muting threads, without actually knowing they are being muted

so what i'd like is an email conformation before a thread actually gets muted

thanks

On 04/04/2015 00:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@... wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark



locked Re: conformation of muted topics

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hoi Corine,
 
Ik heb als suggestie een mail gestuurd om ook mogelijk te maken, dat je de confirm message kan bewerken, die iemand krijgt als die wil inschrijven en voordat je goedkeuring hebt gegeven.
Kijken of dit wordt gedaan en hoe snel.
 
Groet, Marten

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 12:38:08 +0100 emily <fallenangel09@...> wrote:
 
hi.

yes.

on the website

exactly what you said.. i'm muting threads, without actually knowing they are being muted

so what i'd like is an email conformation before a thread actually gets muted

thanks

On 04/04/2015 00:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@... wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark



locked confirm message

Marten Post Uiterweer
 

Hi,

I also want to see an option to edit the confirm message someone receives when he want to subscribe to a closed group.
It would be nice, when you can edit the confirm message, so it is in dutch or an other language and when you can ask something to the user, for example:
Tell who you are and why you want to subscribe.
or the same in an other language.

Regards, Marten


locked suggested groups

emily <fallenangel09@...>
 

hi all,

i was wondering if such a feature could be introduced called suggested groups?

how it would work is that someone would click on a group to read the information on it or subscribe to it, and then below all the stuff about the group, will be a line that says..

groups you may also like are:

and a list of all the groups

thanks


locked Re: conformation of muted topics

emily <fallenangel09@...>
 

hi.

yes.

on the website

exactly what you said.. i'm muting threads, without actually knowing they are being muted

so what i'd like is an email conformation before a thread actually gets muted

thanks

On 04/04/2015 00:20, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@... wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark



locked Re: Attachments

RS
 

I personally would not want that in a group.  Having it as an option seems fine, so long as groups have the choice to allow or not.  Or else make a management page where the Owner can view and select to delete various attachments manually.  Materials deleted from a post should say so, such as "content deleted due to (age/by owner/per group policy)".



locked Re: Bugfix Friday #changelog

Judy F.
 

Jim, why couldn’t it have been a calendar invite and the problem was with one email address?  You are missing my point, using the same word for two different things is confusing especially if an owner/moderator are new and aren’t familiar with all of these discussions.    

 

That’s like saying I like coffee and I also like coffee.  I am using the word coffee for tea also. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Jim Poston [mailto:poston@...]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 9:22 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Bugfix Friday #changelog

 

On 3 Apr 2015 at 19:25, Mark Fletcher wrote:

 

> Bug fixing today:

> *   Fixed an issue with invites where the invite was sent to an email address and the

>     user had registered with the same email address but the capitalization of the email

>     address wasn't the same. (Needed to do a case-insensitive compare).

 

 

On 3 Apr 2015 at 21:01, J. Faulkner wrote:

 

> Was this ‘invite’ for an invitation to join the group or the ‘invite’ that is for a calendar

> entry?  This is what I’m talking about by using the same terminology for two totally

> different things.  I don’t know which one it is for. 

 

 

I think it's apparent that it's not a calendar entry because the discussion is about a single email address. 

 

I can understand that you might have a problem with the same word being used for differenet features, but I think in this context it's pretty clear which one it is.

 

 

--

Jim

Poston@...

 

<<               'A good traveler leaves no track.' -LAO TZU-                >>

  


locked Re: Bugfix Friday #changelog

 

On 3 Apr 2015 at 19:25, Mark Fletcher wrote:

> Bug fixing today:
> *   Fixed an issue with invites where the invite was sent to an email address and the
>     user had registered with the same email address but the capitalization of the email
>     address wasn't the same. (Needed to do a case-insensitive compare).


On 3 Apr 2015 at 21:01, J. Faulkner wrote:

> Was this ‘invite’ for an invitation to join the group or the ‘invite’ that is for a calendar
> entry?  This is what I’m talking about by using the same terminology for two totally
> different things.  I don’t know which one it is for. 


I think it's apparent that it's not a calendar entry because the discussion is about a single email address. 

I can understand that you might have a problem with the same word being used for differenet features, but I think in this context it's pretty clear which one it is.


--
Jim
Poston@...

<<               'A good traveler leaves no track.' -LAO TZU-                >>
  


locked Re: Quote chopping (was Digest layout)

 

On 17 Mar 2015 at 13:18, Shal Farley wrote:

In single messages I don't have to scroll past the trailing quotes, I just
move on to the next message. So there's no benefit to justify the risk
that the automation might erroneously delete content of value.
I can understand that there is some risk of losing some meaning, but I
would like to see it as an owner option even on single messages.

To be honest, the main reason I got into the list owner business was
because of lists/groups where proper quoting was non-existent. To this
day, I moderate everyone who can't or won't quote properly, which is
almost everyone. I hand trim every message. Educating users takes just
as much time, but it doesn't work/doesn't last. Doing it myself guarantees
that is gets done. It's the value I add to my lists.

Yeah, I'm obsessed by it, but I'm mostly normal in other areas.

I hate lazy overquoting so much, if there was a heavy-hammer,
blunt-force, quote blocker, I would use it. Kind of like discussed here: a
single uninterrupted block of quote at the bottom just gets removed.
Interspersed quoting, or top quoting would survive.

But I definitely get that it's not for everyone, so of course, I would like it to
be optional.

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Blessed are the pessimists, for they have made backups. >>


locked Unable to delete attachments in queued message

 

Hi Mark,

Ran into a little problem today when editing a message in the moderation queue.

It had a bunch of graphic images I was trying to get rid of, you know the MailChimp/Constant Contact type stuff.  I deleted them in the text box, but the images stayed around outside the edit box.  I could highlight them but couldn't do anything with them.

I decided to send the message anyway.  The images did not appear in the text, but they were included as attachments almost all named "GetFile.aspx"

I can redirect a copy to you if you'd like to take a look.

I've had other messages where images show up outside the edit box, but this was a little more irritating because there were 15-20 of them.


(Possibly related?  I've had some messages where the a picture did not show up, replaced by an error message:



--
Jim
Poston@...

<<        I played poker w/ tarot cards-got a flush & 5 people died          >>
  


locked Re: Bugfix Friday #changelog

Judy F.
 

Was this ‘invite’ for an invitation to join the group or the ‘invite’ that is for a calendar entry?  This is what I’m talking about by using the same terminology for two totally different things.  I don’t know which one it is for.  I discussed this with Shal in case you are wondering what I’m talking about. 

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 7:25 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Bugfix Friday #changelog

 

Bug fixing today:

  • Fixed an issue with invites where the invite was sent to an email address and the user had registered with the same email address but the capitalization of the email address wasn't the same. (Needed to do a case-insensitive compare).
  • Fixed a couple of issues involving thread renaming and merging, where one of the databases was not being updated correctly.
  • Fixed an issue with the automated Slack member syncing system, where if you had set syncing to 'Combine', it was only doing half of the job.

Have a good weekend!

Mark


locked Bugfix Friday #changelog

 

Bug fixing today:

  • Fixed an issue with invites where the invite was sent to an email address and the user had registered with the same email address but the capitalization of the email address wasn't the same. (Needed to do a case-insensitive compare).
  • Fixed a couple of issues involving thread renaming and merging, where one of the databases was not being updated correctly.
  • Fixed an issue with the automated Slack member syncing system, where if you had set syncing to 'Combine', it was only doing half of the job.

Have a good weekend!

Mark


locked Re: conformation of muted topics

 

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@... wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: moderate thread vs close thread

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:42 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 23:40:08 PDT

Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion
board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this
thread are always sent to the pending list.

seems to make sense.
Agreed. I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark


locked moderate thread vs close thread

ro-esp
 

From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 23:40:08 PDT

Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this thread are always sent to the pending list.
seems to make sense. It's perfectly possible that new information (such as a law coming into effect) makes it necessary to reopen the thread.
Or that some of the "discussion" devolves into ad-hominems.



groetjes, Ronaldo


--
http://www.esperanto.net http://www.moneyasdebt.net


locked Re: Attachments

 

I also think there needs to be a way to prevent that for important attachments. . . . . .
I think that goes along with the request to provide a way to copy an attachment into the Files section. I'd suggest that "copy" mean creating a second link to the data, not a literal copy of the data (so that the copy doesn't cost extra storage). I think that means having something like inode reference counts in Unix filesystems. . . . . .
In this case the presence of the additional link(s) could prevent the attachment from disappearing from the message (no sense breaking that if the group elected to keep the file content).
Could the file move rather than copy, but carry the links along with it? Once it's out of the folder that deletes files, would it be saved indefinitely? (Yeah, I know, this sounds like a real non-tech statement.)
Dano


locked Re: Attachments

 

Mark,

I've had a request for a setting where attachments are automatically
deleted after a specified time. I think that seems like a reasonable
request, especially since there's a limit to how much space each group
has for attachments/files/photos/etc. Is there anything else I should
consider when thinking about this feature?
I also think there needs to be a way to prevent that for important attachments.

I think that goes along with the request to provide a way to copy an attachment into the Files section. I'd suggest that "copy" mean creating a second link to the data, not a literal copy of the data (so that the copy doesn't cost extra storage). I think that means having something like inode reference counts in Unix filesystems.

In this case the presence of the additional link(s) could prevent the attachment from disappearing from the message (no sense breaking that if the group elected to keep the file content).

Maybe, like my TiVo, there needs to be a limited duration "Undelete" list, where the (about to be permanently) deleted attachments spend some time in limbo, affording the moderator a chance to review them and recover the desired ones. I guess that's also the equivalent of Windows' Recycle bin. Or maybe that's just a bit much.

Also, somewhat related, is the following: If you compose an HTML
message with a photo in it (not just as an attachment), often what
happens is that when someone else replies to that message (and does
not trim the quoted message), the photo is included in the reply. I
have seen this build up over multiple replies, so that you end up with
5-10 copies of the same photo in a thread (and therefore in the
Emailed Photos folder). This is not a good experience for many
reasons.
If the HTML images are sourced as "cid:" references it might not be too hard to recognize that they are all the same content, discard all but one, and fixup the other references ("how hard could it be?", he says glibly). That's assuming the various email systems aren't in the habit of recoding the images when they quote them.

I've seen a recent trend towards sourcing them as "data:". Maybe it is feasible to convert them all to a common "cid:" reference to a single MIME part? I don't know if there are semantic or syntactic reasons that might be a bad idea.

Of course, if the images are external ("http:" sourced) then there isn't a storage problem at all, in either the email message or the stored attachments.

-- Shal


locked Re: Updates #changelog

 

Mark,

btw, I'm not thrilled with how the dropdown for the sort options
looks. I'll be trying to figure out a better way for that.
Well, you could highlight the option that's currently in effect. That makes it somewhat more functional if no less ugly.

Or collapse the pairs into a single selection that toggles direction. I'm not a big fan of toggle functionality (quick: is it showing what it is or what it will do?) but it does make the list look neater.

-- Shal
(I vote for "what it is")


locked Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

 

Mark,

Their message bounces back with an error message saying the thread is
closed.
Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this thread are always sent to the pending list. That may sometimes be a more graceful way to handle a troublesome thread than outright closure.

-- Shal


Duane wrote:
Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and
someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but
wondered about the consequences.