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moderated Re: Change DMARC behavior for p=none #misc

Dave Sergeant
 

My objection would be that it makes it more difficult for people to
reply directly to sender from email. OK, I know there is a 'reply to
sender' at the bottom of the mail but many don't see this. I constantly
get queries as to why a person's email bounces but it is clearly there
in the 'from' line, although munged and they have to edit it to the not
quite obvious correct one. I know how to do this, but many can't work
it out.

At the moment it is good that groups.io doesn't do it for everybody
like Yahoo did (with its slightly easier to d-munge version). I can see
why Mark has to do it but it is unfortunate it has to be extended.

Dave

On 19 Feb 2020 at 17:19, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Right now, we munge the From line of messages for people who have DMARC
records of p=reject or p=quarantine. We do not do that for people who
have DMARC records of p=none. I propose changing that so that we also
munge From lines for people with DMARC records of p=none. Recently,
several people have contacted support about this, and I think this
change makes things more straightforward.

Please let me know if you have any objections or questions.

Thanks,
Mark

http://davesergeant.com


moderated Change DMARC behavior for p=none #misc

 

Hi All,

Right now, we munge the From line of messages for people who have DMARC records of p=reject or p=quarantine. We do not do that for people who have DMARC records of p=none. I propose changing that so that we also munge From lines for people with DMARC records of p=none. Recently, several people have contacted support about this, and I think this change makes things more straightforward.

Please let me know if you have any objections or questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

Or maybe the can-of-worms-in-the-sky list.;)


On Feb 19, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Seems cleaner and easier for the poster of the message to just send a PM to the group owner address asking them to delete the pending message.
But (ain't there always at least one) how do you know which will be read first?  Catch-22.  After thinking on it a bit, I don't know if this is really worth pursuing much (of course, that's up to Mark.)  As it is now, the poster could attempt to notify the group mods to reject/delete it.  Failing that, the poster has 2 options, follow up with an oopsy report or just delete the message.  (As I mentioned before, I'd rather see an oopsy in hopes it may help someone else.)  There doesn't seem to be much, if any, damage done and I don't remember it happening all that often.  Maybe this can go on Mark's pie-in-the-sky list for when he runs out of things to do and the site is running perfectly. ;>)

Duane

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J

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moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 05:59 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Seems cleaner and easier for the poster of the message to just send a PM to the group owner address asking them to delete the pending message.
But (ain't there always at least one) how do you know which will be read first?  Catch-22.  After thinking on it a bit, I don't know if this is really worth pursuing much (of course, that's up to Mark.)  As it is now, the poster could attempt to notify the group mods to reject/delete it.  Failing that, the poster has 2 options, follow up with an oopsy report or just delete the message.  (As I mentioned before, I'd rather see an oopsy in hopes it may help someone else.)  There doesn't seem to be much, if any, damage done and I don't remember it happening all that often.  Maybe this can go on Mark's pie-in-the-sky list for when he runs out of things to do and the site is running perfectly. ;>)

Duane


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

Seems cleaner and easier for the poster of the message to just send a PM to the group owner address asking them to delete the pending message.
My two cents.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

How about a way to attach a note to the moderator for a message that's pending approval? It would only be seen by a moderator who is able to approve the pending message. Then the original author could note, "I found out the answer to my question, so this message doesn't have to be posted," and the moderator could decide to reject it to reduce clutter, or could approve it anyway if he/she thinks it would be helpful to others.

JohnF


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

Re messy: so to fix that, you'd have to do something like a "too late to delete" feature if a mod has already claimed the message. And that's assuming "claimed" even gets implemented. If it doesn't, things are even worse.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

Pondering this further, I think what bothers me is the effect on moderators. Someone (or someones, until Shal's "claimed" feature is implemented, if it is) may be hard at work moderating the message and then it can disappear out from under them. This just seems really messy.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

Ok, that's somewhat convincing. :)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 02:36 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
How would they do that?
The same mechanism that would allow one posted online to be deleted.  If it's already been approved, their 'sent' list would be empty.

Duane


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:36 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
there's no notification that their message will post when approved, no banner,  no nothing.
Now I'm thinking (as you may be too) that maybe there should be some such notification when members post via email. If that's added, and a copy of the message sent is also added, that would make things very consistent.

My gut feeling is still against adding the ability to delete, but I can't really justify it. Something just bothers me about it.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: #suggestion Proposal for Database Changes (reposted) #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I'm re-posting this list as a suggestion since it didn't get elevated to that level during the changeover.

I've tried to keep the list as short as I could to provide functions that would enhance Database operation and use.

Suggestions for Databases Function:

1.       Setup Option in premium to initially open in List or Map mode.

2.       Setup Option in premium to allow owners/moderators, based on `1 above, to force DB to stay in List or Map mode permanently or be switchable between. 

3.       Setup option to hide Index/Record number

4.       In Premium/Enterprise groups, when searching, retain the current (List or Map) mode.

5.       Provide Reset/Resequence Index command

a.       with a “Set Index Increment” function  to allow spacing/insertion between records.

b.      Or with a preset “Increment of 10 to allow spacing/insertion.

6.       Provide “Insert Record Before/After Record #” function when Index Increment >1

7.       Retain column headings when scrolling.  Currently they disappear.

 

8.       Always go to List mode when importing tables or rows; then, when complete, return to default mode from setup.

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 12:34 PM, Duane wrote:
If the message hasn't been approved, the sender could go online and delete it.
How would they do that? If they sent it via email, there's no notification that their message will post when approved, no banner,  no nothing.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 02:16 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Adding the suggested feature decreases consistency (you can’t take back a sent email)
I don't think it necessarily would.  If the message hasn't been approved, the sender could go online and delete it.  Maybe that would be a limitation.

Duane


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

I’m all for the most consistency possible between posting via email vs posting via the web. Adding the suggested feature decreases consistency (you can’t take back a sent email) whereas my suggestion adds consistency (you’d have a record of what yoh sent whether you posted via email or via the web, as opposed to currently, where you have it only if post via email). 

The feature suggested here also raises a complication  of the person trying to delete the message before knowing whether a mod has already acted on it some way, if they haven’t kept up either on email or the web. This would probably take some thinking through and there may or may not be issues.


On Feb 19, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 01:11 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I would disagree with that feature and think it would be superfluous.
How so?  Wouldn't it be better to allow the sender to remove the message from the queue than to add clutter by needing to post a "my mistake" followup?  In some cases though, I do like having something like that posted for all to see when it might make something more clear to another user later.

Duane

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 01:11 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I would disagree with that feature and think it would be superfluous.
How so?  Wouldn't it be better to allow the sender to remove the message from the queue than to add clutter by needing to post a "my mistake" followup?  In some cases though, I do like having something like that posted for all to see when it might make something more clear to another user later.

Duane


moderated Re: "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

 

I'm not sure I understand the middle part of this message, but I do get that the suggestion is for a way to delete a submitted pending message. I would disagree with that feature and think it would be superfluous.

What I do think would be very useful (and have suggested in the past) would be to send the member a record of the submitted message. When you post via email, you have a record of what you sent. But when you post via the web and the message is moderated, you have no record of it unless you explicitly make a copy for yourself. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it. #suggestion

Bill Hazel
 

Add a way to cancel a message before it gets approved.

Once i hit "Send" or "Reply to Group" I get the green banner with "Your message will be sent when it's approved by the moderators." but nothing about canceling the message. 

Also, once I leave the message page there is no indication that the message is in limbo.

I mentioned in a reply to the question "Can moderators reduce joined their own moderator settings?", that I had to wait for the message to go through the Moderators before I could fess up to figuring it out on my own.

It would be nice if there was a "Pending Message" notification that could be clicked on to delete it.

I kind of hope I'm not the only person who clicks either "Send" or "Reply to Group" then wishes I hadn't.

Bill


moderated Re: Subgroup default visibility settings #suggestion

Sarah Tappon
 

Another suggestion on a similar theme: it would be awesome if when creating a subgroup, its settings defaulted to matching the parent group's unless manually changed.

For example, in my parent group, I've disabled a bunch of features that we don't use (chat, database, etc). When setting up sub-groups, it's time-consuming to copy over all those settings manually.


moderated Better error when renaming a group #suggestion #done

Duane
 

We're trying to figure out why a group can't be renamed.  While testing, I noticed that if I tried to rename to an existing name, it says "Cannot contain spaces, pluses, periods, or underscores."  If I try to create a group with an existing name, it says "That address has already been taken.", much more useful.

Thanks,
Duane