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moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 02:39 PM, Lena wrote:
I have a moderator with all privileges. I don't want to make her an owner. But if I'm hit with a bus, I want her to be able to make new moderators with all privileges, and so on.
I have the exact same issue. 
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moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 08:09 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This makes sense. Any objections?
Only a fairly minor one; AIUI the main problem is that moderators with set moderator permissions can promote themselves to owners and demote the real owners. That is clearly wrong. At the same time I can see that on occasions it might be helpful if a moderator can appoint another one or edit another moderator's permissions, perhaps to cover an unforseen event that left a group short of moderation effort.

But it's not a show - stopper concern.

Chris


moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

 

I have a moderator with all privileges. I don't want to make her an owner. But if I'm hit with a bus, I want her to be able to make new moderators with all privileges, and so on.


moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

The bottom line seems to be that if you are going to ban a member, you better know it at the time you remove them. That's because if you remove first and later ban, you get the display name mismatch described here. But if you simply ban, which removes the member too, the system does not "forget" their group-specific display name, and it uses that for all log entries. Banning alone (rather than removing first, banning second) also does not replace their group-specific display name with their default display name in their historical member page.

I submit that this is an inconsistency. It should not matter whether you remove first and ban later, or OTOH simply ban. The results should be the same.
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moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

Gilbert Coville
 

On Feb 10, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM Bruce Bowman <@BruceBowman> wrote:
I suggest that the existing "Set Moderator Privileges" flag should not allow a Moderator to edit the Role field. Promoting/demoting people to/from Moderator or Owner strikes me as an Owner function.
This makes sense. Any objections?

Thanks,
Mark
Would it be possible to have a separate Moderator permission for “Set Role (including the ability to promote a moderator to owner)”? This way the ability would be retained, but be more explicit.

Gilbert


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Caught another one: when you try to direct add a banned member, the error message says "banned subscriber"
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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Duane wrote:
Would it be easy enough to prioritize the email address so that there's a relationship on all lists?
It also would not help the weirdness of the log entries ("removed X," and later "banned Y") where X and Y are the same person.
 
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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:50 PM, Duane wrote:
Would it be easy enough to prioritize the email address so that there's a relationship on all lists?
Good idea and that would be an improvement for this particular situation, but I think the display order now, where the display name is first, is better for most other situations. I think the solution is not to retroactively change the member's display name in the group after they leave or are removed, which is what is happening now, from all appearances.
 
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moderated Re: Edit photo ownership proposal #suggestion

Charles Roberts
 

I would prefer that when someone leaves the Group that the PHOTOS section, and FILES, and posts etc., not be disturbed.  The original author should be maintained.  Someone might leave the group because they die, but their photo credits should still be there.  If a casual "leaver" wants to take their photos with them, they should delete them before they leave the group..


moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:43 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
What seems to be happening is that after a member is removed from a group, and they change their Display Name overall, the name changes *in the group history*.
Amending this: either that, or, more likely, the display name changes back to their overall/account/default display name *in the group's member record*. That also seems wrong.
 
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moderated Re: New email delivery option #suggestion

 

There is an option for this already, but there is no email command to set your subscription to, first message only. People would have to sign into the website, go to your groups page, go to subscriptions, click advanced options, and check the box and switch the radio buttons under advanced options. There's no way to do this via email commands yet.


moderated Re: New email delivery option #suggestion

Danny K5CG <k5cg@...>
 

Yes we found this solution after I posted this request. I couldn't delete my request because it was in moderation.

Sorry for the noise.


moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 02:20 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
All log lines are using the display name.
Would it be easy enough to prioritize the email address so that there's a relationship on all lists?  Basically swap the way it's now displayed so address is first.  Or would that be even more confusing and/or difficult?  I realize the link goes to the group subscription record (which would no longer exist in this case), but maybe having the address first would make it more obvious how things are displayed?

Duane


moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

Mark,

Another thing I'm noticing: when I go into the member's history (the link above) and from there into her member page, the Display Name is showing up again as her user name (i.e., to what it was before we changed it in our group). Yet the name has *not* been changed back to that in our group. What seems to be happening is that after a member is removed from a group, and they change their Display Name overall, the name changes *in the group history*. That seems akin to rewriting history and strikes me as very wrong. I think all historical records of the member, while they were in the group, should maintain their history in the group and not be rewritten to take into account anything that changed outside the group. If that's what's happening, I don't think the situation is just that the display name is no longer (easily) available. It has actually been (wrongly) changed in the group's records.
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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

We no longer had the 'customized' display name, so we used her default display name, which is what you see in the Banned activity log.
Mark,

That's what I suspected, as I wrote here: "Possibly, once a member is removed, the Display Name is no longer accessible? That somehow doesn't seem right. It seems like it should be available in the history."

So when you say "we no longer had the 'customized display name,' I am asking, why not? Couldn't the log use the last Display Name the member had in the group? Or is it too much of a PITA to have to go thru the history to get it? I do understand that if the email address/account being banned was never a member of the group, all that's available is the account/user (or "default") display name. But I don't understand, at least in theory, why the group display name couldn't be used, even if the member is no longer in the group. 

To be clear, not finding the member in the Past Members list as a result of the mismatch had me flummoxed for some time, and may flummox others.

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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

J,

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Banning activity and the banned members list show the member under their User Name in the first column, but removal and the past members list show the Display Name there. You can see that in this removed/banned member's activity log, gleaned from the banned members list (this will be accessible only to Mark):
https://groups.io/g/Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma/activity?p=Created,sub&subid=7710274

The second from the top line says that I removed X, but the top line says that I banned Y. Which is not big deal, because the email address is the same, and these are consecutive in the log. 

All log lines are using the display name. Here's what happened in your case: When that person subscribed to your group, either you or they changed the Display Name associated with them for your group. That's on the subscription record (ie it's unique to your group and not to all the groups she may be subscribed to). You removed her from your group, which deleted that subscription record, along with the 'customized' display name. You then later banned her. We no longer had the 'customized' display name, so we used her default display name, which is what you see in the Banned activity log.


Mark 


moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
I suggest that the existing "Set Moderator Privileges" flag should not allow a Moderator to edit the Role field. Promoting/demoting people to/from Moderator or Owner strikes me as an Owner function.

This makes sense. Any objections?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New email delivery option #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM Danny K5CG via Groups.Io <k5cg=hamoperator.org@groups.io> wrote:
I have a small group of members in a group that want to receive email messages for new topics in real time but not the subsequent replies for a group that is set to reply to group.
Setting the group to reply to the original sender instead of the group would upset the majority of the rest of the users who like all replies.

This already exists, under Advanced Preferences in a member's subscription page. Look for Following Only > First Message Also.

Mark 


moderated Re: Default database view #done #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM Chris Smith via Groups.Io <chris=comgw.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would be really useful to be able to set a default visibility on database columns.
Perhaps the column width could accept -1 to make the column invisible?

We have a use case where we want to store a HTML page, but when you view the rows it looks a mess, as the entire HTML page is being displayed. Being able to make this column invisible in the row by row list of entries, and it's only viewable when you click on the row to view the individual record would be great.


While I don't have an opinion one way or another on default visibility, would it not make more sense to address whether there needs to be a new/proper way to display an entire HTML page stored in a database? Are other people storing entire HTML pages in the database? Should I change how the HTML paragraph column type behaves?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Group Setting to Enable From Address via groups.io #suggestion

Dj Merrill
 

I'm curious, did either one of these options ever get implemented?   I am running into the same DMARC issues others have mentioned and having these two settings available would seem to be very useful.

Thanks,

-Dj


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 06:24 AM, Pete AE5PL wrote:
Account level option: If enabled, all messages sent -to- that account will have the "munged" From address.

Group level option: If  enabled, all messages sent -via- the group will have the "munged" From address giving all members the same experience.