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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

Mark,

Another thing I'm noticing: when I go into the member's history (the link above) and from there into her member page, the Display Name is showing up again as her user name (i.e., to what it was before we changed it in our group). Yet the name has *not* been changed back to that in our group. What seems to be happening is that after a member is removed from a group, and they change their Display Name overall, the name changes *in the group history*. That seems akin to rewriting history and strikes me as very wrong. I think all historical records of the member, while they were in the group, should maintain their history in the group and not be rewritten to take into account anything that changed outside the group. If that's what's happening, I don't think the situation is just that the display name is no longer (easily) available. It has actually been (wrongly) changed in the group's records.
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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

We no longer had the 'customized' display name, so we used her default display name, which is what you see in the Banned activity log.
Mark,

That's what I suspected, as I wrote here: "Possibly, once a member is removed, the Display Name is no longer accessible? That somehow doesn't seem right. It seems like it should be available in the history."

So when you say "we no longer had the 'customized display name,' I am asking, why not? Couldn't the log use the last Display Name the member had in the group? Or is it too much of a PITA to have to go thru the history to get it? I do understand that if the email address/account being banned was never a member of the group, all that's available is the account/user (or "default") display name. But I don't understand, at least in theory, why the group display name couldn't be used, even if the member is no longer in the group. 

To be clear, not finding the member in the Past Members list as a result of the mismatch had me flummoxed for some time, and may flummox others.

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moderated Re: use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

J,

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Banning activity and the banned members list show the member under their User Name in the first column, but removal and the past members list show the Display Name there. You can see that in this removed/banned member's activity log, gleaned from the banned members list (this will be accessible only to Mark):
https://groups.io/g/Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma/activity?p=Created,sub&subid=7710274

The second from the top line says that I removed X, but the top line says that I banned Y. Which is not big deal, because the email address is the same, and these are consecutive in the log. 

All log lines are using the display name. Here's what happened in your case: When that person subscribed to your group, either you or they changed the Display Name associated with them for your group. That's on the subscription record (ie it's unique to your group and not to all the groups she may be subscribed to). You removed her from your group, which deleted that subscription record, along with the 'customized' display name. You then later banned her. We no longer had the 'customized' display name, so we used her default display name, which is what you see in the Banned activity log.


Mark 


moderated Re: Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
I suggest that the existing "Set Moderator Privileges" flag should not allow a Moderator to edit the Role field. Promoting/demoting people to/from Moderator or Owner strikes me as an Owner function.

This makes sense. Any objections?

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New email delivery option #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM Danny K5CG via Groups.Io <k5cg=hamoperator.org@groups.io> wrote:
I have a small group of members in a group that want to receive email messages for new topics in real time but not the subsequent replies for a group that is set to reply to group.
Setting the group to reply to the original sender instead of the group would upset the majority of the rest of the users who like all replies.

This already exists, under Advanced Preferences in a member's subscription page. Look for Following Only > First Message Also.

Mark 


moderated Re: Default database view #done #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:02 PM Chris Smith via Groups.Io <chris=comgw.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It would be really useful to be able to set a default visibility on database columns.
Perhaps the column width could accept -1 to make the column invisible?

We have a use case where we want to store a HTML page, but when you view the rows it looks a mess, as the entire HTML page is being displayed. Being able to make this column invisible in the row by row list of entries, and it's only viewable when you click on the row to view the individual record would be great.


While I don't have an opinion one way or another on default visibility, would it not make more sense to address whether there needs to be a new/proper way to display an entire HTML page stored in a database? Are other people storing entire HTML pages in the database? Should I change how the HTML paragraph column type behaves?

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Group Setting to Enable From Address via groups.io #suggestion

Dj Merrill
 

I'm curious, did either one of these options ever get implemented?   I am running into the same DMARC issues others have mentioned and having these two settings available would seem to be very useful.

Thanks,

-Dj


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 06:24 AM, Pete AE5PL wrote:
Account level option: If enabled, all messages sent -to- that account will have the "munged" From address.

Group level option: If  enabled, all messages sent -via- the group will have the "munged" From address giving all members the same experience.


moderated Restrict "Set Moderator Privileges" Permission #suggestion #done

Bruce Bowman
 

I suggest that the existing "Set Moderator Privileges" flag should not allow a Moderator to edit the Role field. Promoting/demoting people to/from Moderator or Owner strikes me as an Owner function.

Thanks for your consideration.

Bruce


moderated Edit photo ownership proposal #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

When someone leaves a group, their photo content is orphaned, and their name is not displayed next to the photo. This is fine, but leads to some confusion when a group Owner/Moderator subsequently goes to the photo edit page and instead of an empty field, sees the Owner pre-populated with the first entry in the pull-down menu.

If the "current" owner is not in the group, I'd prefer that this box contain something like "-- none selected --". In addition, I'd prefer that the pick-list be sorted alphabetically or in some more logical fashion than what is currently used, which appears to be inverse by join date.

Thanks for your consideration.

Bruce


moderated use either User Name or Display Name consistently in banning/banned list and removal/past members list #suggestion

 

Banning activity and the banned members list show the member under their User Name in the first column, but removal and the past members list show the Display Name there. You can see that in this removed/banned member's activity log, gleaned from the banned members list (this will be accessible only to Mark):
https://groups.io/g/Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma/activity?p=Created,sub&subid=7710274

The second from the top line says that I removed X, but the top line says that I banned Y. Which is not big deal, because the email address is the same, and these are consecutive in the log. However, when I looked a few days later for the member in the past members list, I was looking for the wrong name and thought at first that the member did not appear there (I had to search for the email address). Possibly, once a member is removed, the Display Name is no longer accessible? That somehow doesn't seem right. It seems like it should be available in the history.

(BTW note the NMM3 badge in the Banned List record, whereas the history shows the member had some messages approved. But that's for the other topic.)
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moderated Calendar time update of a repeating event deletes former events #bug

Michael Pavan
 

A monthly Calendar event's time shifted to starting an hour earlier. I updated it for "All Events", which worked for the current and future months.

The unexpected consequence, which I believe is a bug, is that it deleted the event in all previous months, except the one month where the event started at a different time; however it did not preserve the past instances of the event when the Location had changed, but not the time.

This is not horrible, but it does destroy the historic value of the Calendar.


moderated New email delivery option #suggestion

Danny K5CG <k5cg@...>
 

I have a small group of members in a group that want to receive email messages for new topics in real time but not the subsequent replies for a group that is set to reply to group.
Setting the group to reply to the original sender instead of the group would upset the majority of the rest of the users who like all replies.

Can we have a new Email Delivery type for this? "New Topics only" ??
 
Thanks for looking.


moderated Default database view #done #suggestion

Chris Smith
 

It would be really useful to be able to set a default visibility on database columns.
Perhaps the column width could accept -1 to make the column invisible?

We have a use case where we want to store a HTML page, but when you view the rows it looks a mess, as the entire HTML page is being displayed. Being able to make this column invisible in the row by row list of entries, and it's only viewable when you click on the row to view the individual record would be great.

I know you can scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the column name to switch it off, but the setting doesn't persist and you can;t set this by default when creating the database.


moderated Re: A 554 Bounce code not recognized as bouncing on first occurrence #bug #fixed

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:49 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
you also needed four in a row,
Meaning, four in a row of the "one bounce within every consecutive four days"
 
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moderated Re: A 554 Bounce code not recognized as bouncing on first occurrence #bug #fixed

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:44 PM, JediPirx wrote:
The dates of the bouncing events
were spread out over months, not consecutive days
The bounce days don't have to be consecutive. They just have to satisfy the conditions I mentioned. But yeah, that's basically the reason. The bounces were too spread out. You'd get a couple that satisfied "at least one bounce within every consecutive four days," but you also needed four in a row, and you never got four in a row so it would go back to square one and start recounting.
 
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moderated Re: A 554 Bounce code not recognized as bouncing on first occurrence #bug #fixed

JediPirx
 

Thank you for the explanation. The dates of the bouncing events
were spread out over months, not consecutive days so conditions
were not met, as you have stated.

Stan/jp

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Subject : Re : [beta] A 554 Bounce code not recognized as
bouncing on first occurrence #bug #fixed
Date : Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:51:52 -0800
From : J_Catlady <@J_Catlady>
To : main@beta.groups.io

On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 02:30 PM, JediPirx wrote:

Why did GIO not flag these 10 users/email addresses last year ?
I do not know.

Because the conditions back then for setting a member to "bouncing"
were not satisfied. You need either a hard bounce, or at least one soft
bounce within every consecutive four consecutive days after the first
soft bounce, plus at least four soft bounces total, for the member to
be flagged as bouncing. Those are all 554.30 codes in what you posted,
and they did not (until the recent bug fix) count as a hard bounce. So
you needed other condition. Looking quickly through the dates in your
example (and bear in mind I'm looking quickly), it does not seem that
the bouncing dates conditions were satisfied.

If the above were to happen today, the member would be set to
"bouncing" because 554 now qualifies as a hard bounce and you
would not need all those date conditions.


moderated Re: Banned not in Banned list #bug

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 08:48 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
Did you ban them by the action dropdown, or by entering the email address?
The reason I ask is that if you ban by entering the email address, a new member record for the banned account is created (as I understand it), regardless of whether or not the email address was already a member of the group. My guess is that that's the cause of the NMM3.
 
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moderated Re: Banned not in Banned list #bug

 

Actually I have a couple that are not NMM. However, all (or nearly all) of the NMM ones did not have that status when banned. One clue is that they're all NMM(3). And all, or nearly all, of them posted at least one approved message. This can be easily checked from their member activity log.
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moderated Re: Banned not in Banned list #bug

 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 08:15 PM, Duane wrote:
On most I see whatever status they had when they were banned.
In my group they've all become NMM. Did you ban them by the action dropdown, or by entering the email address? 
 
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moderated Re: Banned not in Banned list #bug

Duane
 

On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 09:02 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
but now, every member of the Banned list shows up as NMM.
I'm not seeing that on all of them. On most I see whatever status they had when they were banned.

Duane