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moderated Re: Coordinate banning w removal #suggestion

 

It removes the member if they are currently a member, it removes the account’s click button to apply to or join the group via the web, and it results in only a log entry (“banned member attempted to join the group”) rather than a pending member notification if attempting to subscribe via email. Banning can be undone by “unbanning” the email address. None of this functionality is in dispute. But the results are inconsistent with the intended functionality, mostly due to implementation issues involving the fact that a separate member record us created for a banned address. 


On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:47 AM, Jeremy H via Groups.Io <jeremygharrison@...> wrote:

Looking at the GIO help, and GMF wiki, did not provide me with an explanation of what ban/ning/ned means: and I think that a decision on what it does - logically - is the first step.

There seem to me to be two options - is it:
  1. A prohibition on a member from participating in the group, temporarily or permanently, with them - some time later - being either unbanned or removed from the group: i.e. they remain a member of the group, but with 'banned' status (so they can't do anything)
  2. A 'removal with attitude': i.e. they are deleted from the group, with a 'banned = prevent from rejoining' flag set in their 'past member' record. (Should there be any other difference between a 'banned' and a 'removed' member?)
(The 'banned = prevent from rejoining' flag should also be set/carried into their 'past member' record in (1) if they are subsequently removed).

Jeremy

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moderated Re: Coordinate banning w removal #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

Looking at the GIO help, and GMF wiki, did not provide me with an explanation of what ban/ning/ned means: and I think that a decision on what it does - logically - is the first step.

There seem to me to be two options - is it:
  1. A prohibition on a member from participating in the group, temporarily or permanently, with them - some time later - being either unbanned or removed from the group: i.e. they remain a member of the group, but with 'banned' status (so they can't do anything)
  2. A 'removal with attitude': i.e. they are deleted from the group, with a 'banned = prevent from rejoining' flag set in their 'past member' record. (Should there be any other difference between a 'banned' and a 'removed' member?)
(The 'banned = prevent from rejoining' flag should also be set/carried into their 'past member' record in (1) if they are subsequently removed).

Jeremy


moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

Haha. That term is possible option.

On Jan 22, 2020, at 9:15 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:11 AM, Simon Hedges wrote:


I'd like to suggest that it's done the other way around, with Beta as the more
open freer group where "proposals" can be discussed. Then if Mark endorses
them he create a post in a subgroup for "suggestions"
I don't have strong feelings as to whether or not we should do it this way, but if we do it this way we need to use terminology that's more clear than "suggestion vs proposal". In my mind those words are pretty much synonymous, but in the practice we envision one could be a "brainfart" while the other one has been discussed and refined...


groetjes, Ronaldo


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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

ro-esp
 

On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 01:11 AM, Simon Hedges wrote:


I'd like to suggest that it's done the other way around, with Beta as the more
open freer group where "proposals" can be discussed. Then if Mark endorses
them he create a post in a subgroup for "suggestions"
I don't have strong feelings as to whether or not we should do it this way, but if we do it this way we need to use terminology that's more clear than "suggestion vs proposal". In my mind those words are pretty much synonymous, but in the practice we envision one could be a "brainfart" while the other one has been discussed and refined...


groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Upload ICS file into the calendar #suggestion

Charlie Behnken
 

I like the concept, but it does not have to be a .ics file.  Uploading any type of file (.txt, .csv) or even sql would be very useful to me.  

We do a quarterly newsletter of events and entering 65 or more event manually to the calendar does not really work.   Prone to error, and unwanted notifications at times.  The ability to do a simple, no notification bulk upload is what I would like.


moderated Event: Database server crash #outage - Wednesday, 22 January 2020 #outage #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Database server crash #outage

When:
Wednesday, 22 January 2020
4:54am to 5:06am
(UTC-08:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

The main database server froze up for reasons unknown. Rebooting the machine fixed the problem.


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 04:27 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Since we now have a recognized #bug hashtag, should we begin to submit bug reports here instead of support@groups.io?

Yes please.

Can a non-member of beta report bugs to support? If so, what happens to the bug report?
Thanks.
 
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 08:58 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I am not being paid to make suggestions
In fact, as an owner of a premium group for many years, *I* and paying *Mark* for the privilege of making suggestions. The last thing I want is to make it like I'm still working for a software company.

I don't want to pay Mark to whitewash his fence. I want beta to be fun and easy. 
 
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

I have no interest in working with members of beta in formulating a "consensus" of any of the suggestions I propose (many of which, I can say, have been implemented by Mark). I am not an employee of groups.io and I am not being paid to make suggestions, let alone to work on "teams" of people formulating a "consensus" of ideas before they are presented to Mark. I don't know how many people here are actually interested in that.

This group started out as a place for simply expressing our ideas for making groups.io better. If it morphs into a "working group" in any way, shape, for form, I will leave.
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

KWKloeber
 

Simon's idea and others - 

It really doesn't matter whether the discission or let's call it "fine-tuning" is accomplished here (beta) or a subgroup, or a whole different group.  A name is just a name, that's all.  It could be called Initial Suggestion Group and Final Suggestion Group.  Who cares?  My original point was, Mark doesn't need to see the harangue of comments that leads up to some formulation of a (near final?) version of a #suggestion.  

Let me be clear that in no way did I suggest that those discussing the #suggestion would usurp and of Mark's control.. but relieving him of needing to necessarily monitor all the discussion (and there can be MANY as we know that lead nowhere, and many that lead to consensus -- or at least partial.)

Perhaps when a topic is first #suggested on that group (or sub) it might also be moderated initially.  If it's a duplicate, (or in Mark's mind is defo a "don't bother" non-starter)  we could be told before heading off into the discussion sunset?


On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 07:11 PM, Simon Hedges wrote:

I'd like to suggest that it's done the other way around, with Beta as the more open freer group where "proposals" can be discussed. Then if Mark endorses them he create a post in a subgroup for "suggestions" (though maybe "candidates" might be an alternative), where people can look if they want to see what's potentially going to be adopted. That's like to result (in the "suggestions" group) a better formed, appropriately tagged and managed, list of potential changes.

Simon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of JohnF via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Process to propose new features #meta

The proposal process seems too complicated to me. If I want to make a simple suggestion like, "I think the background color should change to orange on Halloween," I don't want to have to go through a proposal phase for it.


moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 04:50 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
this idea.
Referring to Simon's idea.
 
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

I love this idea.
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

Simon Hedges
 

I'd like to suggest that it's done the other way around, with Beta as the more open freer group where "proposals" can be discussed. Then if Mark endorses them he create a post in a subgroup for "suggestions" (though maybe "candidates" might be an alternative), where people can look if they want to see what's potentially going to be adopted. That's like to result (in the "suggestions" group) a better formed, appropriately tagged and managed, list of potential changes.

Simon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of JohnF via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Process to propose new features #meta

The proposal process seems too complicated to me. If I want to make a simple suggestion like, "I think the background color should change to orange on Halloween," I don't want to have to go through a proposal phase for it.


moderated Re: Coordinate banning w removal #suggestion

 

In addition, sometimes a banned member is described as "banned" in the Past Members list but does not even appear in the Banned list. And on top of that, the date field in the Banned list now shows some date that seems to have no connection with anything that I can see. It is certainly not the banned date. (Mark, if you start on this at some point in the future, let me know and I can send you some details offlist, if they're still findable by then.) By far the worst right now is that the Notes page is always now blank in the Banned list and has to be copied over from the same member from the Past Members list. 
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moderated Re: Process to propose new features #meta

 

The proposal process seems too complicated to me. If I want to make a simple suggestion like, "I think the background color should change to orange on Halloween," I don't want to have to go through a proposal phase for it.

Mo's suggestion is good. If you say something like, "I'd like to improve the database feature. Here are some outstanding suggestions that are already on the list of things to do. Which of these are most important, and can you think of any others that would be especially helpful?" that might improve the suggestion quality for that area for a little while.

If you really want to organize things, a form with dropdown fields for the individual features combined with an automatic search for similar issues as part of a suggestion process would be helpful, but that would be work to implement in itself.

JohnF


moderated Re: Subgroup staging state and scheduled start date/time #suggestion

ro-esp
 

"something like "this group will start functioning februari 30th, 18.45 UTC"

Nice idea, but why limit it to SUBgroups?

groetjes, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Italian reply to message by email uses preface RES, not "Re," creating new topic #bug

 

Oops, looks like it's Portuguese, not Italian. 
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moderated Italian reply to message by email uses preface RES, not "Re," creating new topic #bug

 

I'm not sure what kind of bug this is, but it seems that at least in the one case attached here, a reply via email by someone in Italy attached the preface "RES", instead of "Re:," which caused lack of threading and creation of a new topic. 
https://groups.io/g/FeralCats/topic/res_feralcats_goat_s/69964908?p=,,,100,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,100,2,0,69964908

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moderated Re: Online reply remembers original, not adjusted subject text if a hashtag was removed #bug

 

Yes and there's some similar funkiness with merging and splitting. The titles are not kept in synch. Noticed this a long time ago, but since I no longer merge or split, including rarely changing a topic title, it has not bothered me for awhile.
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moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

Christos G. Psarras
 

Hi Mark,

I just went through Canny and posted a bunch of #suggestions to beta (I temporarily turned the #suggestion hashtag to No Email when I did so to avoid spamming the list).

I noticed that two of the new topics (69961750, 69961762) you copy-created over from Canny have duplicate threads already existing in beta.  (I know because I'm the perpetrator of both the original beta threads and Canny requests for the two topics)

Since there is some more info in those original threads (at least on one of them), should I go and add a message reply with a reference link to the original thread for those two dupes?  Or at least for the one with additional detail info?

Cheers,
Christos

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