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moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:

Since we now have a recognized #bug hashtag, should we begin to submit bug reports here instead of support@groups.io?

Yes please.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 02:21 PM, JohnF wrote:

I see on the hashtag list that #meta and #suggestion refer to the app, even though this is the main non-app beta group.

Whoops. Fixed.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 02:21 PM, JohnF wrote:
I see on the hashtag list that #meta and #suggestion refer to the app
Good catch. I completely missed that and assumed they applied to groups.io as a whole - including that "meta" meant suggestions about the beta group.
 
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moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

Bruce Bowman
 

Since we now have a recognized #bug hashtag, should we begin to submit bug reports here instead of support@groups.io?

Bruce


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Laurence Marks
 

J_Catlady wrote:
Another idea is to use single-letter codes, with a key at the bottom of the page - M for mod only, L for locked, P for private replies only, etc. But that may not be enough information (e.g. if M, you still don’t know if it’s replies by mods only; if D for duration, yoh don’t know the duration; etc). So another idea is to give non-mods ability to click on each tag to see a detailed page, similar to what mods have but without edit capability.

I'm not sure what form the implementation would take, but if all are visible, this would be a perfect place for Tooltips!

Larry

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moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

I see on the hashtag list that #meta and #suggestion refer to the app, even though this is the main non-app beta group.

JohnF


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jan 20, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@tds.net> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft.
This notification could have the list of permitted hashtags, preferably with an explanation of their use, so that email only users do not have to go online.

The link to the draft may go unused if they choose to correct / recompose using their email client.


If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

Another idea is to use single-letter codes, with a key at the bottom of the page - M for mod only, L for locked, P for private replies only, etc. But that may not be enough information (e.g. if M, you still don’t know if it’s replies by mods only; if D for duration, yoh don’t know the duration; etc). So another idea is to give non-mods ability to click on each tag to see a detailed page, similar to what mods have but without edit capability.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 1:26 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft. If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).

Bruce

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 1:05 PM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This group is now set so that all new topics are moderated.
Mark; during (roughly) what hours will moderation effort be available? The information is most likely to be of help to those of us not on the Pacific Coast!


Yes, I'm generally on Pacific Time. But even when I'm awake I will not be looking at beta all the time; I'd never get anything done. :-) I do think slowing the conversations down a little bit won't hurt the group and may even be a benefit. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft. If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).

Bruce


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This group is now set so that all new topics are moderated.
Mark; during (roughly) what hours will moderation effort be available? The information is most likely to be of help to those of us not on the Pacific Coast!

Chris


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Duane
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:38 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
Look at the groups IO home page, then list groups by name (publicly listed groups) - and you’ll see 23756 at the bottom.
I can confirm that there were at least 59,873 last Tuesday (more by now), including non-public groups.

Duane


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:55 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I am always leery when I think something is obvious, only to be told that I've missed the real "obvious" part, but here goes...

Since a non-moderator only ever sees the available hashtags in the drop-down when starting a new topic, isn't the inference that if you can't use it, it doesn't really matter.

Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
 
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Gerald


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

Or light gray, like unavailable seats when you’re buying tickets to something.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Bill Hazel
 

Thomas,
I should have scrolled down to the bottom.
Sometimes the easiest answer is to think.
Bill


moderated New Group Charter #admin

 

Hi All,

This is the new charter for the main beta group. This message outlines how I've changed the set up and would like to run the group going forward.

This group now requires topics to be tagged with a hashtag. These are the currently available hashtags for users:

  • #bug
  • #meta
  • #misc
  • #suggestion

You can see their descriptions by going to the Hashtags page. There are additional hashtags, but they are set for moderator use only. If you want to post something and are not sure which hashtag to use or there isn't an appropriate hashtag, use #misc, and I will fix it. But please try to use the existing hashtags whenever possible, as I will be limiting the total number of hashtags. #meta is the tag to use when making suggestions about this group.

During cleanup, I combined some of old hashtags into the new hashtags, but mostly I deleted them as they didn't directly fit into the new scheme.

This group is now set so that all new topics are moderated. Therefore, expect a delay before your post shows up if it creates a new topic.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi Bill,
Look at the groups IO home page, then list groups by name (publicly listed groups) - and you’ll see 23756 at the bottom.
Not sure if you are also interested in the non listed groups - and if anyone would be willing to publish that number.
Thomas

Am 20.01.2020 um 18:20 schrieb Bill Hazel <william.j.hazel@...>:

I have done a web search looking for this information with no results. Kind of a minor point but I for one am interested in knowing the answer.
Does anyone have any idea?
Thank you in advance,
Bill

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