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moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:49 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
Gerald -- I think you got it right, but am not very clear on what can be done about it.

For what it's worth, when someone sends a non-compliant message via email, the offending post is held in Draft form, and the post-er is sent a notification containing a link to that draft. If the link is followed, at that point the subscriber will be online and have access to the acceptable hashtags.

After being forced to jump through that hoop several times perhaps things will get more intuitive (or perhaps not).

Bruce


moderated Re: New Group Charter #admin

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 06:07 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This group is now set so that all new topics are moderated.
Mark; during (roughly) what hours will moderation effort be available? The information is most likely to be of help to those of us not on the Pacific Coast!

Chris


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Duane
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:38 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
Look at the groups IO home page, then list groups by name (publicly listed groups) - and you’ll see 23756 at the bottom.
I can confirm that there were at least 59,873 last Tuesday (more by now), including non-public groups.

Duane


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 03:55 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I am always leery when I think something is obvious, only to be told that I've missed the real "obvious" part, but here goes...

Since a non-moderator only ever sees the available hashtags in the drop-down when starting a new topic, isn't the inference that if you can't use it, it doesn't really matter.

Duh, the aha moment, this isn't obvious when using email. Double duh - if you're emailing and not online, you don't have a place to look to see if a tag is available.

Tell me what I am missing? (Or did I get it right this time?)
 
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Gerald


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

Or light gray, like unavailable seats when you’re buying tickets to something.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

One way would be to designate an automatic dedicated color for mod-only tags. I’m predicting there may be some objections here to that, but it seems like a very simple way for the user’s eye to filter out all the red (or black, or whatever) tags as not available to them.


On Jan 20, 2020, at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2020 at 11:55 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.

I've added a banned icon to the hashtags that are mods only. I admit that may not be the best icon; I'd be happy to take suggestions on that. Also, displaying other aspects of each hashtag would be a good idea, but I'm not sure how to shoe-horn all that into boxes without them getting unwieldy. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated make "use by mods only" hashtag restriction viewable by non-mods #suggestion

 

In looking at the beta hashtag list this morning, I realized that I couldn't directly see which ones were for use by mods only. Of course I received the message this morning about the four hashtags open to use by non-mods, but in general, it would be helpful for non-mod members to be able to directly see which hashtags are available to them in a group.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Bill Hazel
 

Thomas,
I should have scrolled down to the bottom.
Sometimes the easiest answer is to think.
Bill


moderated New Group Charter #admin

 

Hi All,

This is the new charter for the main beta group. This message outlines how I've changed the set up and would like to run the group going forward.

This group now requires topics to be tagged with a hashtag. These are the currently available hashtags for users:

  • #bug
  • #meta
  • #misc
  • #suggestion

You can see their descriptions by going to the Hashtags page. There are additional hashtags, but they are set for moderator use only. If you want to post something and are not sure which hashtag to use or there isn't an appropriate hashtag, use #misc, and I will fix it. But please try to use the existing hashtags whenever possible, as I will be limiting the total number of hashtags. #meta is the tag to use when making suggestions about this group.

During cleanup, I combined some of old hashtags into the new hashtags, but mostly I deleted them as they didn't directly fit into the new scheme.

This group is now set so that all new topics are moderated. Therefore, expect a delay before your post shows up if it creates a new topic.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: How many groups does Groups.io host?

Thomas Gruber
 

Hi Bill,
Look at the groups IO home page, then list groups by name (publicly listed groups) - and you’ll see 23756 at the bottom.
Not sure if you are also interested in the non listed groups - and if anyone would be willing to publish that number.
Thomas

Am 20.01.2020 um 18:20 schrieb Bill Hazel <william.j.hazel@...>:

I have done a web search looking for this information with no results. Kind of a minor point but I for one am interested in knowing the answer.
Does anyone have any idea?
Thank you in advance,
Bill


moderated How many groups does Groups.io host?

Bill Hazel
 

I have done a web search looking for this information with no results. Kind of a minor point but I for one am interested in knowing the answer.
Does anyone have any idea?
Thank you in advance,
Bill


moderated Annoying message after duplicate moderation approval replies sent

Dave Wade
 

Folks,

 

I tend to moderate my groups by E-Mail, and as I live in the UK, often folks post when I am asleep or not monitoring my e-mails.

To keep things moving we tend to have multiple moderators, so it often happens I reply to a request to approve a message after its already been approved by someone else.

When I do I get a “Message Blocked” response with a big red traffic light image, and the reason hidden in some small print in the bottom, and a copy of my message.

Is there really any need for any of this? Why not just silently discard the message?

If it must be sent couldn’t a simple plain text message suffice.

 

Dave Wade

 


locked Re: OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

Dave Wade
 

J,

Perhaps rather than “limping along” they are now enjoying their newfound freedom. No more moderation, no more having their e-mails modified. Just post and it appears.

(for those that don’t know Yahoo has removed moderation of messages)

I would just chill until the spammers take over, as has quickly happened with many groups, as without effective moderation of content, it will be difficult to keep groups with any sort of public visibility clear of spam.

And if you don’t have public visibility then as members fall away the groups will shrink to a size where they become useless.

G4UGM

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of J_Catlady
Sent: 19 January 2020 22:31
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

 

If anyone is still running a yahoo group, could you contact me offlist? I have some questions. I'm now running the groups.io "takeover" of our block's former yahoo group (they refused to transfer), but the yahoo group is still limping along in the background and I have some questions about what that moderator can and can't do in terms of inviting people to the old group, managing the membership list, etc. My email address is 
j.olivia.catlady [at] gmail.com, or you can PM me from this message.
Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Following a new topic sends out catch-up emails with missing group [Subject Tag] #bug

Christos G. Psarras
 

Oopsie, forgot the attachment I was meaning to add to my previous message:


moderated Following a new topic sends out catch-up emails with missing group [Subject Tag] #bug

Christos G. Psarras
 

This happens only when a user follows a new (to them) topic, which tells the Architect to email right away the OP post and any existing replies to the member so they can catch-up if needed, at least for the Individual Email users, with either All-Messages or Following-Only & First-Messages-Also & Follow-Replies. (I only tested those two, so not sure if it will do it for digest, etc)

The email subject is not populated with the group's [Subject Tag] on those emails, but it should, shouldn't it?

Cheers,
Christos


locked Re: OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

 

If you have any other public questions about Yahoo Groups' new mode of operation, Nightowl runs the "MMSanctuary" group here on Groups.io, and it seems to be a good source for people discovering how to accomplish things over there (if they can be).

https://mmsanctuary.groups.io/g/main

JohnF


locked Re: OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 05:35 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
I've still got one. So does Shal.
Thx, will catch you offlist. Shal has already responded. :) 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

I've still got one. So does Shal.

Larry

On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 05:30:37 PM EST, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:


If anyone is still running a yahoo group, could you contact me offlist? I have some questions. I'm now running the groups.io "takeover" of our block's former yahoo group (they refused to transfer), but the yahoo group is still limping along in the background and I have some questions about what that moderator can and can't do in terms of inviting people to the old group, managing the membership list, etc. My email address is 
j.olivia.catlady [at] gmail.com, or you can PM me from this message.
Thanks.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Larry Marks


locked Re: OT: question for anyone still running a Yahoo group

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 04:38 PM, Duane wrote:
don't understand what this has to do with
It doesn't, which is why I prefaced it with OT, and why I asked specifically for PM responses, in hopes that it would not clutter up the message list.
Thanks to all the people who have so helpfully responded in PMs.
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu