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moderated Re: Downloadable Groups.io Manual

 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:26 PM, West Coast Compañeros Staff wrote:
As far as I know, you won't receive any more messages in topics that are already in progress, so you won't have to do anything more to Unfollow them
That's correct. 
If there are any topics in progress that you are particularly interested in following, I think you would need to make a brief reply to them using the web interface. If there is a better way to do this, I hope someone more knowledgeable will chime in.
Brief reply is probably the easiest way, but if not wanting to reply, you can go to All Topics in your groups.io page, click on the topic you want to follow, and then click on "follow this topic" at the top.

 
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moderated Re: Downloadable Groups.io Manual

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 11:46 AM, West Coast Compañeros Staff wrote:
At first, with the large number of topics in progress in GMF, you may need to Unfollow quite a few threads (again, using the footer options), but after that initial investment of time your participation in the group should become much more feasible for you. When you click on the Groups.io logo on the left side of the top blue bar, you wil have the option of viewing all topics or just those that you are following.
Sorry, the bold section in the quoted paragraph is wrong. As far as I know, you won't receive any more messages in topics that are already in progress, so you won't have to do anything more to Unfollow them. If there are any topics in progress that you are particularly interested in following, I think you would need to make a brief reply to them using the web interface. If there is a better way to do this, I hope someone more knowledgeable will chime in.

Robert R.


moderated Re: Downloadable Groups.io Manual

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 08:57 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
I am receiving upwards of a hundred emails in 24 hours from GMF.  As Owner of two groups that have operated decades with very little “moderation” I just can’t afford the time necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff.  So I will soon unsubscribe...I have another life which cannot afford the seemingly ever-increasing time necessary to even skim all these questions and answers.  Too much “noise”
WRB --

Before you take the radical step of unsubscribing, consider trying one of the advanced subscription options. (From the left side menu, select Subscription, then scroll down and click on Advanced Preferences.) The combination that might be most useful for your situation is Following Only, First Message Also, and Auto Follow Replies. These settings will work if you have selected Individual Emails or Digest, but do not override Special Notices or No Email.

With those options selected you should receive the first message in a new topic. You can choose Follow in the message footer if you want to continue receiving messages in this topic. Replying to the message has the same effect. If you do nothing, you won't get anything further on this topic. You will also receive all messages in topics that you start.

At first, with the large number of topics in progress in GMF, you may need to Unfollow quite a few threads (again, using the footer options), but after that initial investment of time your participation in the group should become much more feasible for you. When you click on the Groups.io logo on the left side of the top blue bar, you wil have the option of viewing all topics or just those that you are following.

Robert R.


moderated Re: Column Width Problem

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 05:51 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
Ctrl&- and Ctrl&+ ARE the browser's zoom functions.
As is a box in a drop - down.

Chris


moderated Re: Column Width Problem

Laurence Marks
 

Chris, Ctrl&- and Ctrl&+ ARE the browser's zoom functions.

Larry

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moderated Re: Column Width Problem

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 05:28 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
Have you considered simply pressing CTRL and - a time or two to zoon out when you are in this situation?
Or using the browser's zoom function. Well sort of... but it reduces the font size (obviously!) so at best I would see it as a stop - gap measure.

I would have hoped that every page would display correctly irrespective of the aspect ratio of a DU. (And I have since discovered that 4:3 is not an obsolete concept.)

Going from a page that "works" to the Member List, having to zoom out to see what status flags there are, doing anything necessary, then resetting the zoom before going on to another page that works correctly doesn't look like a long - term answer.

Chris


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Duane
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 10:28 AM, Donald Hellen wrote:
It would be great to have a Boolean search capability
On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 10:24 AM, Bill Hazel wrote:
What steps would I take to find a user in this group named Rony. (Just a random name I picked)
Is there an easy way to do this?
This conversation is drifting from the intent of the beta group - "to discuss the Groups.io service and how it can be improved during our beta period" (though I think we might better describe it as at least gamma ;>).  We should continue discussion on GMF or Group_Help.  I think I have answers.  If not someone else probably will.

BTW, Boolean should work if you use the correct terminology.

Duane


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

 

I'm glad this is being resurrected, because I find it to be a distinct problem. I reread the beginning of this thread and recall that at one point, Mark was willing to consider an improvement, and various options were being discussed. That seems to have gotten lost in the wake of all the other things that have come up, e.g., the Yahoo transfers. I hope an improvement is still being considered.
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Column Width Problem

Laurence Marks
 

As another 4:3 holdout, I have to ask:

Have you considered simply pressing CTRL and - a time or two to zoon out when you are in this situation?

Press and hold Ctrl
Press and release the minus key
Release Ctrl

Repeating this sequence continues the zoom. Pressing Ctrl and + zooms in to reverse the operation.
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Larry Marks


moderated Re: RFE: Some ideas for locking topics #suggestion

ro-esp
 

On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 10:59 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:

The notice should have the *same* subject line as the topic
Ideally, *in digests*, the indication "this thread is locked" should appear in the content-list of the digest, so people know the thread is locked before reading the messages or even replying to them


groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Donald Hellen
 

Duane . . .


On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 19:16:16 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@gmail.com>
wrote:

Many things like this ARE available, but you have to be willing to learn how the site works, just like you do for any other. (YG comes to mind.)
It would be great to have a Boolean search capability to look for:

this AND that BUT NOT other

or

this OR that BUT NOT other

Like what PG Offline did for Yahoo Groups, which had poor search
capabilities.

I'm referring to having it all in one place so that extensive
knowledge of how the site works wouldn't be needed, and the typical
user, a novice to PC stuff, could work with it.

Donald


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https://groups.io/g/Ham-Antennas
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moderated Re: RFE: Some ideas for locking topics #suggestion

 

I agree that the situation is not optimal, but have not taken the time to digest and be able to comment on your specific suggested improvements. I will say that currently, because of the problems you mention, I rarely lock topics. Instead, if a topic is current, I post a message that it is "now closed" and then I put it on moderation. If someone posts after that, I am able to politely reject the message with a private comment that "this topic is closed." Sometimes I can make other suggestions to the person about alternative things they can do (e.g., contact the person privately, start a new thread, etc.).

FYI, in answer to your speculation, the bounce message for a locked topic does include a "reason" ("this topic has been locked by a moderator," or something like that - don't remember the exact verbiage). But even with that, the situation is probably frustrating for people, as you describe. I lock topics now only when they are either very old and no longer active, or in dire situations that have gotten totally out of control, etc. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Bill Hazel
 

Duane,
As my good friend Mork from Orc used to say: "Oh, dummy me"
I had forgotten that I could find all my posts through the subscription menu. I had actually seen the "All messages by this user" link when I was creating my user profile, just hadn't put 2 and 2 together.

What I had tried, in response to this thread, was searching for my name in the message search with no results.

Finding another member isn't nearly as straightforward, at least as far as I can tell.
What steps would I take to find a user in this group named Rony. (Just a random name I picked)
Is there an easy way to do this?

If so, I'm willing to put together a wikipage describing the various processes and add it to the wiki, both here and on the GMF group.


moderated Double/single spaced digest index

debbie
 

It used to be that the digest came with the index single spaced. On December 24, it suddenly became double spaced. I am finding that very inconvenient and would like it to be changed back to single spaced.

Thanks,

Debbie


moderated RFE: Show subject line tags in message+topics list view #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello

I've noticed that when I use the multi-group message list, the subject lines of messages have their groups' subject line tags to show which message is from which group, but when I view the message list for just one group, the subject line tags are not shown.

I realise that subject line tags are not necessary if all messages are from the same group, but still, if someone views or follows messages from multiple groups at roughly the same time, it would be nice to have a visual indicator (apart from the small bit of text indicating the group name when you scroll to the top of the page) which group's messages you're looking at, particularly if there are highly similar groups, sometimes even with overlapping membership.

So, I suggest that the group-specific message list should also display subject line tags. This will help users who are members of more than one list know which list they're looking at.

(There's no need for these subject line tags to be present in "expanded" view -- my RFE is for the messages list view and topics list view only.)

Samuel


moderated RFE: Some ideas for locking topics #suggestion

Samuel Murrayy
 

Hello

When a topic gets locked, it is indicated in at least two ways on the web site (see screenshot attached), and in addition, a moderator can send a final reply to tell everyone that the topic is locked.

This final reply is also somewhat useful for e-mail users, as long as they see the final reply before they reply to any of the other messages in the locked thread.

[However, whether the final message in a topic appears at the very bottom of the thread depends on the e-mail program, and not everyone reads all newly arrived mails before they press SEND on the message that they've been writing.]

I would like to suggest three ways in which it can be made clearer to e-mail users that a topic is locked.

1. Create a member notice called "Locked Topic", so that moderators can save time when writing a "this topic is now locked" message.

2. When a moderator locks a topic, he should be given the option to send a message (including the "locked topic" member notice) to the group that the topic is now locked.

The notice should have the *same* subject line as the topic (so that remains part of the topic), but with [locked] added somewhere in the subject line (before the group name, after the group name, etc.) so that e-mail users can see that there exists a message with the "locked" label in that thread's list of messages.

3. When a moderator responds in a topic, he should have the option to specify "lock topic" before the posts his message, and if he does so, the [locked] label should also be added to the subject line.

(Instead of [locked], one can also use #locked, but that would be inconsistent with how hashtags currently work and might lead some moderators to mistakenly "learn" that they can lock a topic with a hashtag, which is not what I'm suggesting.)

It so happens that I know that "Mark Fletcher" is the list dad for this list, so when I see a reply by Mark, I read it first, but list users do not always know who the moderators are and may not open the moderator's message to discover that he had locked the topic.

I'm not sure if members who senda message to a locked topic get a notification (I didn't, in my tests), but it is disheartening to users to have carefully crafted a well-written, properly researched message, only to discover later that the message disappeared into the ether (or eventually discovering that the topic was locked and that they had wasted their time) -- such users learn the hard way that being quick is better than being considerate.

Samuel


locked Re: Favicon?

 

This topic has run its course. Locking.

Mark


locked Re: Favicon?

Michael Pavan
 

Larry,

On Jan 18, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Laurence Marks <marks@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Michael, Wikipedia is not always an authoritative source.
Agreed, of course.
Having never heard of them, I took a quick look there.
I understand Wikipedia is written by anybody, not necessarily experts - and even experts can be wrong.

• The "danger" is that someone might create a favicon that looks like a padlock and causes them to think the site is secure. You and I would not do that, of course, on our Groups.io website.
You seem to agree that someone, other than you or I, could.

• It would be configurable for each group, of course. If you chose not to configure it for your group, there would be no link, and you would be no less secure than you are today.
I have no objections to them, as long as there was a simple setting to not permit them in my groups.

• There's a concern that a favicon in the root would somehow make it easier for malicious folks to compromise the website. Favicons for groups.io would not likely be implemented that way, of course, They would use the alternate syntax that looks something like this:
<link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="https://groups.io/g/NC-LTRGs/favicon.png" /> which just gets the bad guy to the group that designed the icon. An even more secure option would be to have all the favicons in one spot, referenced by group name or group number, like this:
<link rel="icon" type="image/png" href="https://groups.io/i/12345favicon.png" />
This is above my IT competence, but I understand you say that they are indeed a legitimate concern.

• Wikipedia also mentions that the "rel" attribute mentioned above has not been standardized. There's a difference between what W3C accepts and what browsers implement. That's an argument for purists, not realists. W3C deprecated <b> for bold at least a decade ago, recommending the much-longer-to-type <strong> attribute, but every browser still accepts <b>. Same with the open-in-new-tab link attribute target="_blank". W3C says don't use it, but there are billions of web pages that do, so the attribute will be accepted forever..
Again, this is above my IT competence.
I only included this concern in what I quoted as it was in the middle of it, and I didn't want to 'interrupt' the short quote so that it might appear I was manipulating its meaning.

• There's a longstanding criticism that favicons are inefficient because browsers request them on every web page and are hence wasting bandwidth on every site that lacks them. I'm afraid that horse has already left the barn. There is no way you are going to get Chrome, Edge, Firefox, Safari, Opera, Yandex, Brave, et al. to stop checking for favicons.
You seem to confirm this could/should be a concern.

Michael


moderated Re: Finding posts by a member

Duane
 

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 08:24 PM, Bill Hazel wrote:
The only way I can find one of my posts either here or on GMF is to remember what the post was titled (at least a key word) and search through the mass that returns.
In the case of finding your own messages, you click on Subscription in the left menu for the group in question. On your Subscription page, you select the Group Profile button.  On your Group Profile, click View All Messages By This Member.  Once those come up, you can add to the search box the term you're looking for if you remember it, say diner.  If that wasn't it, change diner to restaurant.

On the other hand, if a person had only made one post, they wouldn't need to do anything else after the 3rd click.

Many things like this ARE available, but you have to be willing to learn how the site works, just like you do for any other.  (YG comes to mind.)

Duane


locked Re: Favicon?

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

I think I understand what you are asking for. No more info required.

Thanks.

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