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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 02:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
she did walk that statement back.
To be clear, my original statement that it could never happen was a statement that hashtags, as they exist currently in groups.io, are logically impossible to attach to individual messages because they are inherently a function of topics. It was meant as a statement of logic, not as a statement of negativity or judgement. I think hashtags on messages would be eminently useful. 
 
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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

>>>On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 05:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Feed page<<<

BTW, I was one who initially saw no benefit to the  "feed" and thought it would be just another superfluous feature that might be delayed in order to concentrate on something more-needed (read, "search".)
BOY was I mistaken,  I LOVE the feed and use it exclusively.  And THANK YOU for that brain child.

-k


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

Haha! 😊


On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

This part is me being serious:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.

I wish J had not said that the feature would never appear, and to her credit she did walk that statement back. I don't want people saying that, on my behalf or otherwise. It's also just not a useful thing to say. But also 'negative nay sayers' isn't useful either. 

Once more, with feeling: Let us please keep things positive and constructive here.


This part is me being absurd:

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

I'm really glad you picked up on the Baroque stylings of our search. It was always my intention to use search as commentary on the tense and extravagant aspects of Silicon Valley in this part of the 21st century. My use of drop shadows on the search results page is a call-out to Caravaggio's use of chiaroscuro. Just wait until you see the new version of the Feed page, where I go for more of a Cubist approach. It's going to be completely incomprehensible!


Mark

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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

This part is me being serious:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 1:56 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.

I wish J had not said that the feature would never appear, and to her credit she did walk that statement back. I don't want people saying that, on my behalf or otherwise. It's also just not a useful thing to say. But also 'negative nay sayers' isn't useful either. 

Once more, with feeling: Let us please keep things positive and constructive here.


This part is me being absurd:

On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

I'm really glad you picked up on the Baroque stylings of our search. It was always my intention to use search as commentary on the tense and extravagant aspects of Silicon Valley in this part of the 21st century. My use of drop shadows on the search results page is a call-out to Caravaggio's use of chiaroscuro. Just wait until you see the new version of the Feed page, where I go for more of a Cubist approach. It's going to be completely incomprehensible!


Mark


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

KWKloeber
 

Gretchin

I believe that would be useful - I could see several instances where for whatever reason we would tag a post ('er, or is it "message" now?) differently than a Topic ('er, or is it "Subject", which the gio GUI confusingly uses interchangeably?)  
Are you thinking of being able to choose from the list of hashtags available for Topics?  Or a separate list of msg tags?

Mark has asked the group to not get into what's possible/not possible to implement (his call to figure out) so ignore those type negative nay sayers.
On the positive side instead, it would allow for a more useful search of messages (opposed to the woefully inadequate, 17th-century, non-boolean, word/non-phrase search we now have to operate under. 

Hmmm, Y'ah know - thinking aloud here - there's nothing preventing a group from adopting a set of message tags and just entering one (or whatever) as the 1st line, or last line of the message.  If tagged with something very unique -- like ## as J said, or TAG-your_tag, or enclosed in  %your_tag% -- you could search and more easily retrieve messages.  I'm liking this.

-ken


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Michael Pavan
 

James,

On Jan 16, 2020, at 2:43 PM, James Dilworth <@jaymz> wrote:

The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

• It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in.
I'm against Opt-Out
Opt-Out is user-unfriendly, and frankly just rude (to say the least).

BTW, Hashtags and excess verbiage added to Calendar reminders should also be Opt-In, so that we aren't forced to use awkward workarounds to undo them.


• The directory needs a search function.
Agreed.

Michael


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:52 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
You're never going to get hashtags on individual messages here.
Every time I say "never," I realize I should never say never. It's possible to implement a kind of hashtags that can be included within individual message bodies. But without passing judgment on it, I'd say it's in the "don't hold your breath" category.
 
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locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Gretchin Lair wrote:
Other suggestions?
I would just use the search function. You're never going to get hashtags on individual messages here.
 
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moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

It will “fix things up” but should not be necessary. And if it freaks me out, it has to be freaking out naive users.


On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:40 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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I think this is related to not automatically updating the browser page after certain changes, not just this one. If we are talking about the same thing, then a manual browser refresh will fix things up.
 
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moderated Re: problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 04:40 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

I think this is related to not automatically updating the browser page after certain changes, not just this one. If we are talking about the same thing, then a manual browser refresh will fix things up.
 
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Gerald


moderated problem persists with "your membership has not been approved" banner #bug

 

I reported this awhile back, possibly several times, but never heard back about it or received the (now non-existent?) bug report acknowledgement, so I'm bringing it up again. I think this is a borderline serious issue and would probably be a quick fix. The issue is that after applying to join a restricted group, and before the membership has been approved, the pink "Your membership has not yet been approved" banner appears at the top of EVERY group you're in, including your own. This is alarming, to say the least. It seems like either you don't belong to your own group, or you're logged in under the wrong account, or worse.

Thanks.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 01:56 PM, James Dilworth wrote:
The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

  1. It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in
I'm extremely opposed to another opt-out situation.  There are enough of those in the world (that mostly don't work).  If anything, I'd suggest a group setting option for it, BUT the situation would need to made VERY clear to anyone considering joining such a group.

Duane


moderated Re: Search function for Member Directory #suggestion #done

James Dilworth
 

+1 on this suggestion.

We have a club with almost 1000 members. One of the most common questions I hear is 'How do I get hold of so and so....' - People regularly post to our whole list just to seek an email for someone. We want our members to be able to learn about, and contact each other. 

The member directory looks like it has the potential to solve this, but seems to be held back by a couple big factors:

  1. It really needs to be opt-out, versus opt-in. Currently all users must edit their privacy settings to make it work. It's hard to ask the herd to go futz with their privacy settings just to even see the directory. As group owner, I'd like to be able to set the directory as open to all subscribers, and members can opt-out if they need too.

  2. The directory needs a search function. Currently, if there are 1000 members, you'd have to click through dozens of pages to get to Zena Doe or Zebbedee Wilkins. 


This suggestion seems to have surface several times over the past year, but it seems to have been shot down by others who did not fully understand the ask. Here's a few screenshots of the opt-in problem to illustrate.


A member directory is really a key piece of our requirements for a system. It seems like you have all the pieces in place, and just need to make a few changes to bring out the power of this functionality.

FWIW, I had hoped the members list might be a workaround. That includes search, but it is clearly designed as an admin view of subscription status. Making the list visible opens the raw emails of individuals, while providing no means for them to opt-out at all. This is ripe for abuse by some randy old man.

Recognize there's a lot going on with the app. But this would be a very valuable feature for us, and I'd like to think others too. Thanks for considering. 

J


locked Re: Hashtags for single messages (not topics) #suggestion

Gretchin Lair
 

I can link to an individual message, but then... where do I put it? Hashtags made excellent automatic collection buckets. Other suggestions?


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 8:47 AM Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

I think there are clear benefits to be had from changing the way Hashtags can be used on beta, perhaps to the point where every New Topic has to have at least one hashtag in its subject. However, I think there are major drawbacks to the way hashtags currently operate on beta, and I would suggest the following change.

 


Agreed. I'm using the new App subgroup as a kind of test run for how I might change beta. You can read the group charter for App here:


Should that group continue to run well, I'll go through and prune most of the hashtags from Beta and change its' moderation. I agree that fewer hashtags is better.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

 

Bug. It's been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Search all wiki actions in Member Activity #suggestion

Bill Hazel
 

One thing I thought of after posting was our reaction when someone does something that is "against the rules".
Getting other people to participate is truly the biggest challenge any wiki creator faces, the problems listed in my prior post are secondary.

I have been promoting wikis for over 10 years and have NEVER had anyone do something intentionally malicious.
They've made mistakes, but that is what they were, mistakes, honest mistakes.

Do you want to discourage them? Make them angry? There is a REALLY easy way to accomplish this:
Delete their post.

However, if you want to encourage them to continue to contribute, just change their behavior, there is a much more productive way to do it.
Communicate privately with them and let them know what needs to be changed.
Ask them to make the necessary changes, explaining the reasons why.
Be kind about it.
Thank them for participating.

Usually a lot of thought and effort goes into creating a wikipage, 
Much more than most messages.

Respect their effort.

Bill


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

 

Same here. Was wondering. It's annoying this way.
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moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:32 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
It's on "the next page"; click on the hashtag (in the hashtags list) and there it is
Yes, I do it that way now, but was wondering why it was moved.

Duane


moderated Re: editing hashtags #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 05:25 PM, Duane wrote:
I could almost swear that at one time there was an Edit button on the Hashtags page for those that were allowed to edit them, next to the mute button.

It's on "the next page"; click on the hashtag (in the hashtags list) and there it is, subject to the individual moderator-specific permission Create or Modify Hashtags.

Chris