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moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

 

Right abouf not holding the breath.


On Jan 5, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 03:33 PM, Simon Hedges wrote:
No-one likes to do something twice – it’s just confusing
The way I see it, the member list can be downloaded at any time.  Once I've got it, I can do what I need to, then decide if I'll be doing repetitive things, say sorts, and can create macros to do them automatically.  This way all I need is a new download instead of needing to do the 'work' online every time.  I see no problem if Mark decides to do it, but I don't think I can hold my breath that long.

Duane

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moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 03:33 PM, Simon Hedges wrote:
No-one likes to do something twice – it’s just confusing
The way I see it, the member list can be downloaded at any time.  Once I've got it, I can do what I need to, then decide if I'll be doing repetitive things, say sorts, and can create macros to do them automatically.  This way all I need is a new download instead of needing to do the 'work' online every time.  I see no problem if Mark decides to do it, but I don't think I can hold my breath that long.

Duane


moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 02:29 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
improve your mind and learn just enough coding to build a program to do it yourself.
(a) How do you know the OP doesn't already know how to "code," besides which (b) "Improving one's mind" to "learn coding" may be an oxymoron, (c) why poo-poo a single, possibly somewhat redundant enhancement (and I disagree that it is redundant) on the grounds that if Mark implemented "all possibly needed tools" he'd have a maintenance nightmare? Because (d) this is not about "all possibly needed tools" and anyway, (e) for all we know Mark may already have a maintenance nightmare on his hands. It's for him alone to decide whether he wants to make it worse. :) 
 
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moderated Re: Special Notices #suggestion

 

I agree. I always try to remember to put "Special Notice" into the subject, but it's easy to forget.
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moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

There's OpenSource, Excel, Google Sheets and probabley  half a dozen other simple to use tools to do the job. Or, improve your mind and learn just enough coding to build a program to do it yourself.
If Mark installed all possibly needed "tools" (that are already readily available offline). It would be a maintenance nightmare for him plus it would require more online memory space/cost.

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Simon Hedges
 

Hi,

 

Rick wrote:

>> 

While they don't add abilities that simply don't exist, they extend what you can do only the web site without additional tools or effort with the data.  If I'm interested in who joined the group less than six months ago, it would be helpful that I didn't have to stop to sort or filter the data after I've downloaded it before I have the results I was seeking in the first place. 

<< 

 

Yes.  No-one likes to do something twice – it’s just confusing, and means you need to work out how to sort/filter in some other tool (e.g. Excel) as well as groups.io.  This is a “nice to have” improvement rather than a desperately needed one, but it’s not a daft thing to ask for.  Lots of improvements to IT systems are about making usability improvements for which workarounds already exist, as in this case.

 

Simon

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Nakroshis
Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 2:46 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #featurerequest

 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:04 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:50 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:

The member download feature could be enhanced by a few simple changes:

  1. If a custom sort order is displayed by clicking on a column header, then the members are downloaded in that same order.
  2. If a search term returns a limited number of members, then only those members will be downloaded.

I don't understand the need for either of these.  Once you've downloaded the csv file, you can do what you want with it - sort, edit, etc. That's the whole reason for having the member download (I think.)

Duane

 

While they don't add abilities that simply don't exist, they extend what you can do only the web site without additional tools or effort with the data.  If I'm interested in who joined the group less than six months ago, it would be helpful that I didn't have to stop to sort or filter the data after I've downloaded it before I have the results I was seeking in the first place.  Less of an issue with under 500 members. More of an issue when you have more than 5,000 members.

 

Yahoo didn't place a 1,000 member limit to membership list downloads because they wanted to make it more user-friendly. It was more a compromise between eliminating it entirely and weathering the howls of outrage from group owners.

 

Rick


moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Rick N
 

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:04 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:50 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
The member download feature could be enhanced by a few simple changes:

  1. If a custom sort order is displayed by clicking on a column header, then the members are downloaded in that same order.
  2. If a search term returns a limited number of members, then only those members will be downloaded.
I don't understand the need for either of these.  Once you've downloaded the csv file, you can do what you want with it - sort, edit, etc. That's the whole reason for having the member download (I think.)

Duane

While they don't add abilities that simply don't exist, they extend what you can do only the web site without additional tools or effort with the data.  If I'm interested in who joined the group less than six months ago, it would be helpful that I didn't have to stop to sort or filter the data after I've downloaded it before I have the results I was seeking in the first place.  Less of an issue with under 500 members. More of an issue when you have more than 5,000 members.

Yahoo didn't place a 1,000 member limit to membership list downloads because they wanted to make it more user-friendly. It was more a compromise between eliminating it entirely and weathering the howls of outrage from group owners.

Rick


moderated Re: Special Notices #suggestion

Duane
 

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:18 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It seems like a subject tag would be the best solution for this.
Time to revive this, I think.  I received a message from a group where I'm set to 'Special Notices Only'.  In the footer, it said "You receive all messages...".  I was able to verify with the owner that it was indeed sent as a Special Notice.  Some sort of subject tag, such as [SN] or [Special] would have prevented any confusion I had, though the footer would still be incorrect.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Transfer GIO group to another GIO subgroup?

James Dilworth
 

+1 to this request.

I've recently taken over our club's groups.io - In the early days, a new group was created instead of a subgroup. Now that splinter group has 230 members and several hundred messages. There is large crossover on the member lists between the two groups, so it's mainly a question of how we keep the messages and move them into a subgroup of the main group.
 
We would like the ‘rowing’ group to become a subgroup of the main group.

I found the 'export' functionality, but as noted, just lacking the import side. 

BTW... loving groups.io! - Recognize that you must have lots of items in the backlog.

Thanks 

James



moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

jakkdaw
 

I, and I'm assuming also Mark, meant integrations as emails via groups.io of Facebook posts, as set up via "Integrations" in the groups.io group menu.


moderated Re: Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:50 PM, Rick Nakroshis wrote:
The member download feature could be enhanced by a few simple changes:

  1. If a custom sort order is displayed by clicking on a column header, then the members are downloaded in that same order.
  2. If a search term returns a limited number of members, then only those members will be downloaded.
I don't understand the need for either of these.  Once you've downloaded the csv file, you can do what you want with it - sort, edit, etc. That's the whole reason for having the member download (I think.)

Duane


moderated Enhancing the usefulness of the member download #suggestion

Rick N
 

The member download feature could be enhanced by a few simple changes:

  1. If a custom sort order is displayed by clicking on a column header, then the members are downloaded in that same order.
  2. If a search term returns a limited number of members, then only those members will be downloaded.

Rick


moderated Please change photo pixel size restriction to photo file size restriction #suggestion

 

Hi,

Would it be possible to do this (change photo pixel size restriction to photo file size restriction)?

It make much more sense to do it this way.  Examples of what users may upload:

iPhone original photo 3264 x 2448 px jpg:  1.5 MB
iPhone original photo with 25% jpg quality setting:  0.25 MB
iPhone photo reduced to 1024 x 768 with high jpg quality setting:  0.78 MB
iPhone photo changed to 1024 x 768 uncompressed TIF:  2.4 MB

Most often, a large pixel size photo will be a lot better for viewing even if the jpg quality is set lower, while other photo formats may be accepted in a smaller format size that give a reduction in viewing quality with taking 3-10x the storage space.  This makes no sense.

Seems like the change may be pretty easy since you already offer that restriction in mail attachments?

Thank you and HNY,


Mark McNabb


moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

Samuel Murrayy
 

On 03 Jan 2020 23:31, Bob Bellizzi wrote:

I'm not a Drupal hot shot but our side panel Facebook integration has not stopped working, showing our FB page at
https://www.cornealdystrophyfoundation.org/about
in the right panel of the page.
I understood "integration" in the OP's sense to mean that posts to the FB page are automatically sent to the IO group as either a notification or an actual post, and vice versa (e-mails sent to the IO group automatically get posted to the FB group).

Is that what you meant, Jakkdaw (or Mark), or do you mean having a little FB box on the page, like Bob's web site has?

Samuel


moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

Bob Bellizzi
 

Mark,
I'm not a Drupal hot shot but our side panel Facebook integration has not stopped working, showing our FB page at
https://www.cornealdystrophyfoundation.org/about
in the right panel of the page.

Possibly, integration of a FB page could be made to work for those of us who have them?

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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Feature requests/Canny after two weeks

Jeremy H
 

My thought - for what it's worth - is that the beta group is where I can raise an issue of Groups.io not doing what I expect/think it should/would like it to - which maybe due to a bug, a not yet requested or implemented feature, or just me not understanding things - without having to work out/guess which; and where this can be discussed to come up with a consensus of what 'correct' behaviour is (or should be). Resulting in bug report, feature request or explanation. And that Canny (or Trello before) is then essentially a (publicly visible/editable) 'to-do' list of feature requests. 

Jeremy

 


moderated Re: Joining subgroup via e-mail directly only subscribes user to main group #bug

Jeremy H
 

This is one of a number of related issues, where on joining or leaving a main and sub-group, things do not happen as I expect or think they ought to - whether resolving them is a matter of fixing bug(s), or feature request(s) I'm not sure: they all boil down to an imperfect implementation of the sub-group feature. See also on GMF, topic https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topic/joining_the_subgroup_directly/69348244 : much of what follows copied from there.

Let me start by stating I expect (and would think correct behaviour):

All concerned ((putative) subscriber and moderators/owners - for both main and sub-group - they may or may not be the same) should be aware of, and have a record of, what has happened, for both main and sub-group.

For joining (or leaving) a main group (only - no-sub-group membership involved), or a sub-group (when already a main group member), however triggered - as normal, with appropriate sequence of e-mails, approvals and activity log entries.

For joining a sub-group, when not a member of the main group:
  • on application (by e-mail or web), confirmation e-mail should say that joining sub-group means also joining the main group; on confirming, the main group joining process be gone through first (with appropriate e-mails, approval, and activity logs); then the sub-group process (likewise). If two approvals are needed, perhaps both should be done first, before any other part of part of the joining processes.
  • on invitation, if the inviter is not a main group moderator with appropriate permission, then first that approval (to invite to main group) needs  be obtained, then invitation e-mail should state that it means to both main and sub-group, and on accepting the invite, the joining processes be gone through for both, as above.
  • on direct add, likewise.
On leaving a main group, when also a member of sub-group(s) - confirmation e-mail should state '...and any sub-groups that you a member of', or list them; and then leaving e-mails and activity logs for the sub-group(s) as well as the main group (currently is main group only).

Currently 
  • A Subscribe+ e-mail results - if not already a Main Group member- in them (as Samuel has stated) joining the Main group (only), without any indication to them that they will (confirmation e-mail refers only to the sub-group) - the first they know is the Welcome to Main@~ email. (A subsequent Subscribe+ e-mail results in them joining the sub-group)
  • An Invite causes them to be joined to the Sub Group (with e-mails to them and sub-group owner, and an 'accepted invite' activity log), and the Main group - without any notification (e-mail or activity log) - they just (mysteriously) appear on the list of members, and the first the invitee knows about their main group membership is receiving a message. Note that this happens whether or not the inviter (who has to be a sub-group moderator) has the appropriate main group privilege to grant membership: if he doesn't, the first the main group owner will know is if they check the membership list - and realise that there are unexpected (and quite possibly unwanted)
  • On leaving a main group, there is a correct (expected) sequence (of logs and e-mails) for this; but membership of sub-groups is just terminated, without any indication (by e-mail or activity log)
While I think - given that sub-group membership is dependent on main group membership - that, except in Samuels's case (joining sub-group leading to main group membership), memberships do change as might be expected , it is very much the case that they are not (completely) notified or logged, and people can find that they have mysteriously joined (or left) groups (sub or main) that they didn't expect to, certainly if they don't know/realise what is going on.

Jeremy


moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

 

Hello,

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 7:22 AM jakkdaw via Groups.Io <jakkdaw=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Is there any chance of this being resolved?

Unfortunately, I don't see the Facebook integration coming back.

Mark 


moderated Re: Facebook integrations not working

jakkdaw
 

Hi Mark

Is there any chance of this being resolved?

I run a group that is entirely based on discussion of a Facebook page that we don't seem to be able to view otherwise and the group has been on hold since August. I would like to know if there is any chance of a solution or whether to just close down the group. Obviously I would prefer to keep it going if I can.

Thanks


moderated Re: Feature request/enhancement -- Enlarge the vertical size of the "Your Groups" pull-down menu #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 08:04 AM, Sandi D wrote:
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 05:09 AM, Samuel Murray wrote:
the groups in the pull-down menu aren't in any logical order,
The order they appear for me seems to based on the historical order of my last visits. The most recent one I visited is on the top.
 
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Sandi Dickenson
ASG Volunteers Group.
No, they are in alphabetical order based on the name the group was created as. The list however displays the wording that the owner has chosen as the group's display name.
 
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Gerald