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moderated Re: App beta testers

myles@...
 

Mark, I realize you are not looking for Android testers, but in the case where you want to have it tested on multiple Android platforms, from phone, tablet and even Android TV, I'm up for it.  Just message me off list and I'd be happy to contribute some testing time here.  Sorry, not an iOS user though.

Myles


moderated WEB posting Request.

RickGlaz <rickglaz4742435@...>
 

Lots of OTHER places (on the WEB) let you write a reply to a Group/list message
and then when you hit "Send", the page checks to see if you are still connected
and warns you IF you are not instead of going to a blank page and loosing the reply.

That seems to be part of the sending WEB page, not something I can do anything about
(More about that next...)

I use the InternetOFF program so my computer disconnects every hour or less.
I have to manually check to see if I "timed out" each time I hit send.
The more complex the reply is, the more likely this is to happen...
Others can or will have similar results for entirely different reasons.

I'm guessing this would not be a high priority item, but since it already exists elsewhere,
it might be easy to research and add<?>

RickG


moderated Re: App beta testers

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- Is there going to be a desktop app, or just mobile?

Bruce


moderated App beta testers

 

Hi All,

The app is nearing version 1.0 and I think it's about ready for some beta testing. The app works on both iOS and Android, but for this testing phase, I'm only looking for people with iOS devices. If you are interested in playing with it and giving feedback, please let me know off-list. Also, it is not currently accessible, but it will be before launch; if you rely on a screen reader, please wait until the app supports it before applying to test.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Testing new feature request/tracking system

 

On Sat, Dec 14, 2019 at 11:04 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
my comment, which said that the feature you requested already exists,
Per a discussion with Shane on the canny site, I have seen that his requested feature is for searchability, not access, of the member directory, and does not already exist. Also, we are in agreement that the canny site is working really well!
 
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moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Terry Slattery <tcs@...>
 

On 12/17/19 10:02 AM, Scott Thayer wrote:
The whole exchange about Subject Tags is beyond my ken, but seems to be relevant to the Inbox organization point rather than the aesthetic one.
Scott,
While Subject Tags can be used to organize messages into separate sub-boxes, it is a simple visual indicator of the group the message is from. I'm not sure why that isn't sufficient for your purpose.

Relative to adding an image, one of my groups has members who are in international locations that have very low and expensive bandwidth. These are on remote islands or in countries with poor (i.e., very slow) Internet access. Adding pictures to each message would not be good for them. While an image tag might be optional, I'm not sure how it would be better than the present Subject Tag.

-Terry (new to this list and to groups.io)


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Scott Thayer
 

Thanks for all the comments.  As a newbie, every posting expands my knowledge/comprehension of this new Groups adventure.  

My motivation is largely aesthetic, which of course yields to practical concerns, and my interest is more directed at my members (who are generally even less tech-savvy than me).  A few replies, if I may:
  • Yes, one can set up auto-file to put messages into sub-Inboxes.  Personally, I find that counter-productive and I abandoned that practice years ago.  Burying incoming mail, especially off-screen where I have to scroll down to see if anything is there, is a time-sink, and I can't tell you the number of times that I've been told "Oh, I didn't notice your message in that sub-box."  I read or otherwise purge incoming emails several times a day, keeping my Inbox to a minimum and largely focused on current action items.  (And have Gmail as the ultimate backup if needed)
  • I appreciate Ken's point about server space, which hadn't occurred to me.  I note, however, that photos of individual users appear in messages (3 so far in this discussion), which suggests that is not a major concern.  
  • The whole exchange about Subject Tags is beyond my ken, but seems to be relevant to the Inbox organization point rather than the aesthetic one.  
  • Perhaps the default cover photo could be elephants and donkeys together?  :-) 
Again, thanks.  


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Michael Pavan
 

On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:14 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:52 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
I don't think this is possible as the Subject Tag is determined by the Group Email Address
Actually, the Subject Tag can be anything you want. A lot of groups use the group name or email address, but others don't. The GroupManagersForum uses [GMF] for the Subject Tag.
OK, I overlooked the Subject Tag setting when I checked Admin > Settings before posting.
Not seeing it, I presumed it was set by Group Email Address - all the groups I own use the same for Subject Tag and Group Email Address, as I wanted them short and distinct (like GMF).

Still, it is hard to imagine that he is subscribed to 5 groups with the same Subject Tag...


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Duane
 

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:52 PM, Michael Pavan wrote:
I don't think this is possible as the Subject Tag is determined by the Group Email Address
Actually, the Subject Tag can be anything you want.  A lot of groups use the group name or email address, but others don't.  The GroupManagersForum uses [GMF] for the Subject Tag.

Duane


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Michael Pavan
 

On Dec 16, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Scott Thayer <thayersn@gmail.com> wrote:

As a new owner, I suddenly find myself receiving messages from five groups, which are visually indistinct.
All five groups use the same Subject Tag?
the Subject Tag for this group is: [beta]

I don't think this is possible as the Subject Tag is determined by the Group Email Address
the Group Email Address for this group is: beta
i.e. <beta@groups.io>

My understanding is that email addresses are unique to each group - that is how messages are addressed, sorted, and directed.


I've set some to Daily Summary, which should help. But it would be aesthetically pleasing as well as helpful if a group's message headers contained the group's cover photo (or logo, if a group has one) to supplement the Gio logo which already appears there. As someone else pointed out a few days ago, few members actually go to the group's cover page, which is where the photo currently appears.
OTOH, there is nothing to prevent all groups from using the same group cover photo (or logo) - in fact that is what the default is (cover photo of elephants), unless you choose to change it.

Therefore Cover Photos on email messages in place of Subject Tags is what would cause the problem, not solve it.


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Ken Schweizer
 

Wouldn't this exponentially increase the group's usage depending on the size of the group's cover photo? It would seem to me that this would mandate a large increase in server needs and associated costs.

 

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Scott Thayer
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 7:37 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

 

As a new owner, I suddenly find myself receiving messages from five groups, which are visually indistinct.  I've set some to Daily Summary, which should help.  But it would be aesthetically pleasing as well as helpful if a group's message headers contained the group's cover photo (or logo, if a group has one) to supplement the Gio logo which already appears there.  As someone else pointed out a few days ago, few members actually go to the group's cover page, which is where the photo currently appears.    


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Bruce Wilson
 

I would suggest you set up mailboxes/folders for each group and message filters to sort your incoming emails.  Easy to do

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On 12/16/2019 08:37, Scott Thayer wrote:
As a new owner, I suddenly find myself receiving messages from five groups, which are visually indistinct.  I've set some to Daily Summary, which should help.  But it would be aesthetically pleasing as well as helpful if a group's message headers contained the group's cover photo (or logo, if a group has one) to supplement the Gio logo which already appears there.  As someone else pointed out a few days ago, few members actually go to the group's cover page, which is where the photo currently appears.


moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 03:12 PM, Scott Thayer wrote:
I suddenly find myself receiving messages from five groups, which are visually indistinct.
Are they? IME it only takes a brief glance at the "From" address or Subject Line to determine the group from which any given message has come.

Chris


moderated Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Scott Thayer
 

As a new owner, I suddenly find myself receiving messages from five groups, which are visually indistinct.  I've set some to Daily Summary, which should help.  But it would be aesthetically pleasing as well as helpful if a group's message headers contained the group's cover photo (or logo, if a group has one) to supplement the Gio logo which already appears there.  As someone else pointed out a few days ago, few members actually go to the group's cover page, which is where the photo currently appears.    


moderated Re: Feature request

 

On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 05:10 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
I assume a 'Note to Member' cannot be used in this situation.
Not true. The "Send Message" function can be used on pending members.
 
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moderated Re: Feature request

Jeremy H
 

There is already the 'Pending Subscription' notice facility mentioned upthread, for asking standard question(s) of applicants. If responded to 'correctly' that will be adequate in most cases - but sometimes this will not be the case.

What seems to be asked for, or wanted, here, is a 'Note to Applicant' facility, similar to the 'Note to Member' one, but for not-yet members - I assume a 'Note to Member' cannot be used in this situation. With the ability to have multiple variants as required, based on previous responses - which can be alternatives, or sent in series.

There is probably also a case for a 'Note to Non-Member' feature: but whether it is (from a Groups.io perspective) acceptable or desirable is another matter.

Jeremy
 


moderated Re: Update/Rest of the year

PurplePenny
 

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 06:08 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

As a rough estimate, I think it was around 3300 groups. Which means accepting 3300 invites and solving around 3300 captchas. I was very fortunate in that my dad volunteered to help with that. Let me tell you, he is now exceptionally good at identifying crosswalks and chimneys in images!

Your father is a hero!  I get frustrated with a single Captcha when the image is so bad that I can't tell which squares have road signs/cars/lampposts/small furry aliens in them.

You're a hero too of course :)

Penny


moderated Re: Feature request

 

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 01:55 PM, Victoria wrote:
different groups can have different needs and conceptions, and not every existing feature must be used by everyone.
I would therefore like to request three rounds of questioning for pending members. Just because someone doesn't like them doesn't mean some groups might want them. After all, it would be optional per group.

Just a little reductio ad absurdum to demonstrate that the argument "not every group might want it but it should still be implemented because some of them might" doesn't hold water. There is a limit. Having two rounds of questioning *would* cause complications. You don't find it confusing or complicated because it doesn't exist yet.
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Feature request

 

This feature has been asked for by many owners in the GroupManagersForum.

Chris: "Has it? It might be my memory failing but I have no recollection of this cropping up on GMF, at least not "recently" (undefined) and certainly not in the form in which you have expressed it above."

Yes, it has. Especially recently owners of newly transferred groups aked about this old yahoo feature and many before, some even here in Beta. But of course everyone who asked for it was referred to the pending subscription notice as a standard answer.

Frances asked: "Victoria, is this as well as the questionnaire you can have sent out automatically for restricted groups before the person joins?"

To me these are two different things. A quick answer to the question why someone wants to join my group can already give me an orientation and can also signal the seriousness of the application and its urgency.

And I do not find it confusing or complicated to have both. And by the way different groups can have different needs and conceptions, and not every existing feature must be used by everyone.
Victoria


moderated Re: Feature request

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 07:05 PM, Victoria wrote:
This feature has been asked for by many owners in the GroupManagersForum.
Has it? It might be my memory failing but I have no recollection of this cropping up on GMF, at least not "recently" (undefined) and certainly not in the form in which you have expressed it above.

Why do you want to join this group is a perfect question to ask using the Pending Subscription message, and is more or less the purpose of it in the first place.

IMHO the existing provision is perfectly adequate.

Chris

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