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Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 09:22 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession.So all of this emergency life support for the dying patient has been going on behind the scenes, untouted and unrecognized, and probably even more of it prior to this, while meanwhile, Mark just tells us that he can "now transfer messages again." LOL. Giant kudos! -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:13 AM Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:
This is a manifestation of Yahoo's latest issues. My changes yesterday to our crawler mostly work around this, and I'm seeing very few unretrievable messages since the changes went into effect yesterday. Basically, I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession. These are admittedly hostile behaviors, and if I was running Yahoo's servers, I'd not be pleased. But it seems to do the trick. Mark
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
Leeni
-------Original Message-------
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/02/19 10:18:53
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. .. too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
I’m ready to make the leap except for this:
When I used the Chrome extension to download my group’s messages last night, only 10k of the 35k were retrievable. This included many of the recent messages. When I go to Yahoo I can see messages in short form (sender, subject, first line) but when I click to expand I get a blank box. These "blank-box messages” are the ones that failed to transfer. Has anyone else encountered this problem? Have a fix for it? Clearly it’s (deep breath) a YAHOO ISSUE. Gah. Does this indicate permanent failure? Grateful for all counsel, Patty Stokes, BerlinScholars group ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patricia Stokes, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies Ohio University
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Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:39 AM, Ann Kelsey wrote:
Yes, we can transfer messages again. Cheers, Mark
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Re: Should transfer request be deleted after successful transfer
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:58 AM <john@...> wrote: Yahoo Group successfully transferred - should we just delete the transfer or leave it? It doesn't matter. After Thursday that section of the website will be going away. Mark
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Should transfer request be deleted after successful transfer
Yahoo Group successfully transferred - should we just delete the transfer or leave it?
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Re: How long does step 4 take?
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:44 AM Fred Hicks <evilhat@...> wrote:
Within the day. Someone has to accept the invite, which is a manual process that usually involves solving a captcha. You will get an email when it's done. Thanks, Mark
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Re: How long does step 4 take?
Fred Hicks
Yep, same question!
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:40 AM Eric Johnson <Toller67@...> wrote: About how long will it take from when I sent the invite from Yahoo until the invitation is accepted and we can make Groups.io a moderator.? --
Fred Hicks President • Head of Operations • Co-Owner - Evil Hat Productions - evilhat.com Father • Designer • Publisher • Blogger - deadlyfredly.com For "real time" updates: http://twitter.com/fredhicks
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, John Shotsky wrote:
Exactly right, and diplomatically said. I moved my group four years ago and have never looked back. Around then, some other yahoo group owners I was trying to help move were dissing me for pointing out yahoo's obvious and increasing failures. It's been very hard to bite my tongue and not express my utter shock that anyone now actually has notion to blame *Mark*, who is the one *rescuing* them from the the yahoo mess, for their predicament in not having moved when the going was good. He has gone above and beyond, and is now doing so again. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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How long does step 4 take?
Eric Johnson
About how long will it take from when I sent the invite from Yahoo until the invitation is accepted and we can make Groups.io a moderator.?
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Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
M K Ramadoss
I join all others in appreciating the great job you have done and being ethical dealing with all of us! M K Ramadoss
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:50 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
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Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
Ann Kelsey
Add me to the thank you list for extending the deadline.
Just confirming that we should leave all boxes checked on the transfer request. Yesterday there were suggestions to uncheck messages because those transfers were the ones that weren't working.
THANK YOU!!!
Ann Kelsey
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...>
Hi,
I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4. Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?
Thanks,
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laurence Marks
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:57 PM To: main@beta.groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage
Adrian Goenendyk wrote
If Groups.io cannot accommodate you, you should be able to do this yourself with two pieces of software from Personal Groupware.
Personal Groupware Offline (PGO4) automatically downloads all the messages (and attachments, files, and photos if you have them.
Personal Groupware Offline to Groups,io (PGO-2-GIO) uploads the files to a group you create in Groups.io. Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.
At this very moment I just checked and downloads from Yahoo are working.
PG Offline - Download Yahoo Groups, Messages, Files and Photos
Larry
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
John Shotsky <jshotsky@...>
I watched Yahoo degrade over the years. First from Egroups, which worked well until Yahoo got ahold of it, then when Marissa came on board Yahoo and decided to monetize yahoo ygroups, she caused the trolly to leave the track. As an owner of quite a number of groups on a wide range of subjects, I saw the handwriting on the wall. Member management became very difficult. I looked constantly for replacements, and in 2018, chose Groups.io as my solution. I moved them all at that time, and that did not cost anything back then. But Yahoo has continued to degrade, and when Verizon bought it, I was positive that if it couldn’t make money with it, it would remove the costly parts – thus an email groups service only, which is what Google did with Google groups as well. Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. We have been using it almost 2 years now, and I must say we are more than satisfied – it is more capable than Yahoo groups ever was, with its stingy file storage, etc. Sadly, the mass migration is like any other – lots of missteps, too many deadlines, and too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands. Or, more correctly, Marissa Mayer, who was eventually fired, is the cause of the downturn of Yahoo groups, and it is a bit surprising to me that it has lasted from then to now. So I just advise all to ride through this rough period, get what you can from Yahoo, and move on, happily. I did download a whole group that I’d belonged to for 20 years, as soon as I learned how, and that was over 1gb of data/files/photos. I have yet to even refer back to it. Regards, John
From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of txercoupemuseum.org
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 9:52 PM To: main@beta.groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate
I think some who are rightfully concerned need to step back and take a few deep breaths.
Mark has been doing a superhuman job forced by circumstances entirely beyond his control to move an incredible number of groups at risk. The additional complication of Yahoo’s off again-on again servers was and remains unpredictable, and costs him transfer time that, like an unfilled airline seat, cannot be recovered.
He has said he will refund any group that has prepaid that he cannot get moved over, and I am confident he will do just that. In the interim past performance strongly suggests he will continue to move heaven and earth between now and when Yahoo self-destructs.
Procrastination within groups may not be the fault of group owners, but the effect(s) are what they are. So long as Mark continues to do all he can do, I fail to see where or how he can be credibly faulted. If he doesn’t run out of time before he runs out of patient, he should be elevated to saint in my book. In the end, there WILL be a point at which he says “that’s it, I’m done” (and maybe sleep for a week).
WRB
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Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
bschwerer@...
My transfer went through completely this morning. Kind of caught me unexpected because I thought it would take a few days to get uploaded, now my group is active. I really appreciate all the work put in over the holiday weekend. None of this is easy and Yahoo is a giant pain. I'm pretty excited about the new features we will have.
Thank you very much
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 05:38 PM, Ann Kelsey wrote:
What my group really needs are the photos and member listAnn, try downloading Wilson Logan's Personal Groupware tool (http://www.personalgroupware.com/pgoffline-index.htm) - you may have seen it mentioned by many people here. It's likely to be subject to the same Yahoo-inflicted problems as Mark & the team are seeing, but you might get lucky. The link may stay stable long enough for you to fetch your membership & photos, which at least leaves you a manual route to recreate your memberships in the event that GIO are unable to transfer your group. We used it to get a backup of our Y! group ahead of the transfer (happily we got in early on that). Definitely gives you a sense of security, assuming you can get past the Y! nonsense now of course.
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Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage
Daniel Allen
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 12:33 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
Hi Eric, it's a bit earlier in the thread: On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 09:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote: However, that is raw data; in .mbox format. I don't know the answer to the latter question; however I hope the question's now moot, because Mark has re-enabled the Easy Import until December 5, 2019 at 9AM Pacific Time. Yes! Thank you Mark! -Daniel
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Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
Daniel Allen
Agreed, with gratitude.
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-Daniel Allen
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 01:06 AM, Simon Hedges wrote:
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Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th
You’d better believe I value what Mark is doing here. Herculean indeed!
Thanks from my deepest heart. Patty Stokes, owner of BerlinScholars ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Patricia Stokes, Ph.D. Assistant Professor, Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies Ohio University
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