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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, Adrian Groenendyk wrote:

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4. Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

FYI, I have no idea how this product works, or whether it works at all.

Mark


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

On Monday, December 2, 2019, 10:39:11 AM EST, Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...> wrote:

Hi,

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4.  Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

Thanks,

Adrian

Send an email to info at personalgroupware.com

  ,_._,_


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moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Katherine Fritz
 

Mark,

Thank you for your persistence in dealing with Yahoo's maddening failures and inconsistent performance.  My family group transfer went through yesterday less than an hour after I hit the "proceed" button.  I'm so grateful to you for all your hard work.

best regards,
Katie


moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

Mark, I'd send you flowers if I knew how! THANK YOU. 

For anyone else who's starting this process: I had to try about a dozen times before I got Yahoo to send an invitation to the groups.io address. If you get a failure message on the invite page, keep trying. 

I'm almost weeping with gratitude, and it's not just relief to have this sorted. I feel like I've found a group of people who embody what the Internet was like in those early days - a spirit of sharing, generosity, competence, and curiosity. 

xxxooo
Patty 


moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 09:22 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession.
So all of this emergency life support for the dying patient has been going on behind the scenes, untouted and unrecognized, and probably even more of it prior to this, while meanwhile, Mark just tells us that he can "now transfer messages again." LOL. Giant kudos! 
 
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moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:13 AM Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:
I’m ready to make the leap except for this:

When I used the Chrome extension to download my group’s messages last night, only 10k of the 35k were retrievable. This included many of the recent messages.

When I go to Yahoo I can see messages in short form (sender, subject, first line) but when I click to expand I get a blank box. These "blank-box messages”  are the ones that failed to transfer.

This is a manifestation of Yahoo's latest issues. My changes yesterday to our crawler mostly work around this, and I'm seeing very few unretrievable messages since the changes went into effect yesterday. Basically, I'm hammering Yahoo's servers; I massively parallelized the crawler and also if it gets a failure, it retries a lot more times than before, in rapid succession. These are admittedly hostile behaviors, and if I was running Yahoo's servers, I'd not be pleased. But it seems to do the trick.


Mark 


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Leeni
 

Kudos should be going to Mark for helping y'all get out of the mess that you let yourselves get into.
 
 
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 12/02/19 10:18:53
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate
 
On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, John Shotsky wrote:

Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. .. too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands.

Exactly right, and diplomatically said. I moved my group four years ago and have never looked back. Around then, some other yahoo group owners I was trying to help move were dissing me for pointing out yahoo's obvious and increasing failures. It's been very hard to bite my tongue and not express my utter shock that anyone now actually has notion to blame *Mark*, who is the one *rescuing* them from the the yahoo mess, for their predicament in not having moved when the going was good. He has gone above and beyond, and is now doing so again.  
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

 


moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Patty Stokes
 

I’m ready to make the leap except for this:

When I used the Chrome extension to download my group’s messages last night, only 10k of the 35k were retrievable. This included many of the recent messages.

When I go to Yahoo I can see messages in short form (sender, subject, first line) but when I click to expand I get a blank box. These "blank-box messages”  are the ones that failed to transfer.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? Have a fix for it? Clearly it’s (deep breath) a YAHOO ISSUE. Gah.

Does this indicate permanent failure?

Grateful for all counsel,

Patty Stokes, BerlinScholars group

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Patricia Stokes, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Women’s, Gender, & Sexuality Studies
Ohio University









moderated Re: Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:39 AM, Ann Kelsey wrote:

Just confirming that we should leave all boxes checked on the transfer request. Yesterday there were suggestions to uncheck messages because those transfers were the ones that weren't working.

Yes, we can transfer messages again.

Cheers, Mark


moderated Re: Should transfer request be deleted after successful transfer

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:58 AM <john@...> wrote:
Yahoo Group successfully transferred - should we just delete the transfer or leave it?
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It doesn't matter. After Thursday that section of the website will be going away.

Mark 


moderated Should transfer request be deleted after successful transfer

John Ata
 

Yahoo Group successfully transferred - should we just delete the transfer or leave it?


moderated Re: How long does step 4 take?

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 8:44 AM Fred Hicks <evilhat@...> wrote:
Yep, same question!

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:40 AM Eric Johnson <Toller67@...> wrote:
About how long will it take from when I sent the invite from Yahoo until the invitation is accepted and we can make Groups.io a moderator.?


Within the day. Someone has to accept the invite, which is a manual process that usually involves solving a captcha. You will get an email when it's done.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: How long does step 4 take?

Fred Hicks
 

Yep, same question!


On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:40 AM Eric Johnson <Toller67@...> wrote:
About how long will it take from when I sent the invite from Yahoo until the invitation is accepted and we can make Groups.io a moderator.?



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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 07:38 AM, John Shotsky wrote:

Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. .. too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands.

Exactly right, and diplomatically said. I moved my group four years ago and have never looked back. Around then, some other yahoo group owners I was trying to help move were dissing me for pointing out yahoo's obvious and increasing failures. It's been very hard to bite my tongue and not express my utter shock that anyone now actually has notion to blame *Mark*, who is the one *rescuing* them from the the yahoo mess, for their predicament in not having moved when the going was good. He has gone above and beyond, and is now doing so again.  
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated How long does step 4 take?

Eric Johnson
 

About how long will it take from when I sent the invite from Yahoo until the invitation is accepted and we can make Groups.io a moderator.?


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

M K Ramadoss
 

I join all others in appreciating the great job you have done and being ethical dealing with all of us!

M K Ramadoss


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:50 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

I spent most of today re-architecting how we pull messages out of Yahoo Groups to try and work around their latest issues. I was moderately successful. Therefore, I have turned back on group transfer requests and have extended the deadline until Thursday, December 5th at 9AM Pacific Time. Keep your fingers crossed that Yahoo's servers stay up that long.

This is it. The deadline will not be extended after this. If you are considering transferring your group, this is your final chance. 

If, for whatever reason, you upgrade your group and the group transfer does not happen, I will of course be happy to refund your charge. Please contact me in that case; disputing the credit card charge costs us money in fees (this has unfortunately happened in a few instances). 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re= Re: [beta] Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Ann Kelsey
 

Add me to the thank you list for extending the deadline.

 

Just confirming that we should leave all boxes checked on the transfer request. Yesterday there were suggestions to uncheck messages because those transfers were the ones that weren't working.

 

THANK YOU!!!

 

Ann Kelsey


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...>
 

Hi,

 

I was successful at downloading all Yahoo email using PGO4.  Do you have a link for PGO-2-GIO so I can move the mail to groups.io?

 

Thanks,


Adrian

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Laurence Marks
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:57 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage

 

Adrian Goenendyk wrote

I updated to premium a few weeks ago but just got around to transferring from Yahoo.  I only need to transfer members and emails.  There are no files, attachments, links, ect.  In addition to wanting to know if you will re-enable transfers, I would also like to know if this is something I can do myself.  If it is, can you please provide some guidance.

 

If Groups.io cannot accommodate you, you should be able to do this yourself with two pieces of software from Personal Groupware.

 

Personal Groupware Offline (PGO4) automatically downloads all the messages (and attachments, files, and photos if you have them.

 

Personal Groupware Offline to Groups,io (PGO-2-GIO) uploads the files to a group you create in Groups.io. Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.

 

At this very moment I just checked and downloads from Yahoo are working.

 

PG Offline - Download Yahoo Groups, Messages, Files and Photos

 

 


PG Offline - Download Yahoo Groups, Messages, Files and Photos

PG Offline downloads Yahoo Groups, Messages, Files and Photos.

 

 

Larry

 

 


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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

John Shotsky <jshotsky@...>
 

I watched Yahoo degrade over the years. First from Egroups, which worked well until Yahoo got ahold of it, then when Marissa came on board Yahoo and decided to monetize yahoo ygroups, she caused the trolly to leave the track. As an owner of quite a number of groups on a wide range of subjects, I saw the handwriting on the wall. Member management became very difficult. I looked constantly for replacements, and in 2018, chose Groups.io as my solution. I moved them all at that time, and that did not cost anything back then. But Yahoo has continued to degrade, and when Verizon bought it, I was positive that if it couldn’t make money with it, it would remove the costly parts – thus an email groups service only, which is what Google did with Google groups as well.

Knowing that eventually, there would be a mass migration, I jumped early. We have been using it almost 2 years now, and I must say we are more than satisfied – it is more capable than Yahoo groups ever was, with its stingy file storage, etc.

Sadly, the mass migration is like any other – lots of missteps, too many deadlines, and too many people that waited until the very last minute. Yahoo (Verizon) is the cause of this confusion and difficulty, and the blame should be placed right in their hands. Or, more correctly, Marissa Mayer, who was eventually fired, is the cause of the downturn of Yahoo groups, and it is a bit surprising to me that it has lasted from then to now. So I just advise all to ride through this rough period, get what you can from Yahoo, and move on, happily. I did download a whole group that I’d belonged to for 20 years, as soon as I learned how, and that was  over 1gb of data/files/photos. I have yet to even refer back to it.

Regards,

John

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of txercoupemuseum.org
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 9:52 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

I think some who are rightfully concerned need to step back and take a few deep breaths.

 

Mark has been doing a superhuman job forced by circumstances entirely beyond his control to move an incredible number of groups at risk.  The additional complication of Yahoo’s off again-on again servers was and remains unpredictable, and costs him transfer time that, like an unfilled airline seat, cannot be recovered.

 

He has said he will refund any group that has prepaid that he cannot get moved over, and I am confident he will do just that.  In the interim past performance strongly suggests he will continue to move heaven and earth between now and when Yahoo self-destructs.  

 

Procrastination within groups may not be the fault of group owners, but the effect(s) are what they are.  So long as Mark continues to do all he can do, I fail to see where or how he can be credibly faulted.  If he doesn’t run out of time before he runs out of patient, he should be elevated to saint in my book.  In the end, there WILL be a point at which he says “that’s it, I’m done” (and maybe sleep for a week).

 

WRB

 

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On Dec 1, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

 

As a customer of groups.io, I expect the company to keep their commitment.  From the emails, I understand the technical difficulties at play here but from a customer relations perspective you can’t do this.  You will need to figure out how to grandfather in folks who tried but were unable to request transfer by the Dec 1st deadline.

 

Thanks,

 

Adrian

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simon Hedges
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:51 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

Hi Mark,

 

I understand your position – but it was yourself that disabled the ability to request a transfer before your 1st December deadline was reached, this preventing me from meeting that deadline for the requests.  I realise that this is driven by issues with Yahoo, and I would accept that this may no be possible to transfer them all, but I would have liked to have been able to add my final group to the list awaiting transfer.

 

Simon 

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:12 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?

 

 

Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

 

Thanks,

Mark

 


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

bschwerer@...
 

My transfer went through completely this morning.  Kind of caught me unexpected because I thought it would take a few days to get uploaded, now my group is active.  I really appreciate all the work put in over the holiday weekend.  None of this is easy and Yahoo is a giant pain.   I'm pretty excited about the new features we will have.

Thank you very much