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moderated Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi All,

I spent most of today re-architecting how we pull messages out of Yahoo Groups to try and work around their latest issues. I was moderately successful. Therefore, I have turned back on group transfer requests and have extended the deadline until Thursday, December 5th at 9AM Pacific Time. Keep your fingers crossed that Yahoo's servers stay up that long.

This is it. The deadline will not be extended after this. If you are considering transferring your group, this is your final chance. 

If, for whatever reason, you upgrade your group and the group transfer does not happen, I will of course be happy to refund your charge. Please contact me in that case; disputing the credit card charge costs us money in fees (this has unfortunately happened in a few instances). 

Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...>
 

Hi,

 

As a customer of groups.io, I expect the company to keep their commitment.  From the emails, I understand the technical difficulties at play here but from a customer relations perspective you can’t do this.  You will need to figure out how to grandfather in folks who tried but were unable to request transfer by the Dec 1st deadline.

 

Thanks,

 

Adrian

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Simon Hedges
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 8:51 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

Hi Mark,

 

I understand your position – but it was yourself that disabled the ability to request a transfer before your 1st December deadline was reached, this preventing me from meeting that deadline for the requests.  I realise that this is driven by issues with Yahoo, and I would accept that this may no be possible to transfer them all, but I would have liked to have been able to add my final group to the list awaiting transfer.

 

Simon

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:12 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?

 

 

Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

 

Thanks,

Mark
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Eric Johnson
 

I missed it. What is the manner of requesting the group data from Yahoo? What form is it in and how do you backload it into Groups?

Please.

Eric Johnson

On Sunday, December 1, 2019, 9:50:35 PM CST, Daniel Allen <dada.da@...> wrote:


Big thanks to Alasdair who recommended requesting all my group data from Yahoo. I requested it yesterday around 10pm, and received it 24 hours later. All the messages from the list I'm concerned about.
So even if the easy method doesn't work, perhaps we can do it one of the other ways.

So, some encouragement for those who are in the same boat, missing the Dec 1 cutoff due to Yahoo's yahoo-yness. You can at least get mbox files for your groups.

Still crossing my fingers about the "Easy Transfer" method, though I'll understand if them is indeed the breaks.

Thanks to all for your support here.
- Daniel

moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Daniel Allen
 

First, big thanks to Alasdair who recommended requesting all my group data from Yahoo. I requested it yesterday around 10pm, and received it 24 hours later. All the messages from the list I'm concerned about.
So even if the easy method doesn't work, perhaps we can do it one of the other ways.

So, some encouragement for those who are in the same boat, missing the Dec 1 cutoff due to Yahoo's ... yahooyness.
You can at least get mbox files for your groups.

Still crossing my fingers about the "Easy Transfer" being able to work- but will understand if, indeed, them's the breaks.

Thanks to all for your support and advice here.
-Daniel
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Simon Hedges
 

Hi Mark,

 

I understand your position – but it was yourself that disabled the ability to request a transfer before your 1st December deadline was reached, this preventing me from meeting that deadline for the requests.  I realise that this is driven by issues with Yahoo, and I would accept that this may no be possible to transfer them all, but I would have liked to have been able to add my final group to the list awaiting transfer.

 

Simon

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 5:12 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage #transferupdate

 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?

 

 

Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

 

Thanks,

Mark
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Daniel Allen
 

Big thanks to Alasdair who recommended requesting all my group data from Yahoo. I requested it yesterday around 10pm, and received it 24 hours later. All the messages from the list I'm concerned about.
So even if the easy method doesn't work, perhaps we can do it one of the other ways.

So, some encouragement for those who are in the same boat, missing the Dec 1 cutoff due to Yahoo's yahoo-yness. You can at least get mbox files for your groups.

Still crossing my fingers about the "Easy Transfer" method, though I'll understand if them is indeed the breaks.

Thanks to all for your support here.
- Daniel
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks
 

Duane wrote:
Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.
That's incorrect.  Messages will be uploaded based on date and time, being assigned new numbers by GIO, at a rate of ~50 per hour.  I believe the original message number will be IN the message though.  Attachments may be included, but that's not working at the moment according to Wilson.  (He also mentioned that PGO is seeing glitches at YG and doesn't always get the data.)

Our Yahoo messages start with number 1. There are no messages in our GIO group. The Yahoo messages will be uploaded in sequence. Hence GIO message numbers will be created to match the Yahoo message numbers.

From time to time I had pruned the Yahoo group--there are missing messages. Some were notices for meetings long past. Some were "Me too!" messages. And there were a lot of inadvertent Replies to Group that were intended to be Replies to Sender. The uploader keeps the message numbers in sync by uploading an empty message for each missing message. This should serve to assure that the new message numbers assigned by GIO match the Yahoo message numbers. It's one of the things I'm testing.

Larry



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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Patty Stokes
 

Count me as one of the desperate ones. I was not smart enough to sign up for this group until today, when I found to my shock that there was a Dec. 1 deadline, and that transfers were already disabled. I had imagined that we'd be fine if we requested the transfer in the first week of December.

It took my group a long time to settle on a solution (and then I got sick). Really frustrating that we are now boxed out - I am begging for a couple more days! 

I've saved my group's membership list. What we really want to preserve are the message archives. I've requested them from Yahoo but understand it can take days, plus I'm concerned that it will have other groups' messages intermingled.

Please consider reopening transfer requests for a few more days! Thanks you!
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 07:05 PM, Laurence Marks wrote:
Personal Groupware Offline to Groups,io (PGO-2-GIO) uploads the files to a group you create in Groups.io. Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.
That's incorrect.  Messages will be uploaded based on date and time, being assigned new numbers by GIO, at a rate of ~50 per hour.  I believe the original message number will be IN the message though.  Attachments may be included, but that's not working at the moment according to Wilson.  (He also mentioned that PGO is seeing glitches at YG and doesn't always get the data.)

Duane
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Laurence Marks
 

Adrian Goenendyk wrote
I updated to premium a few weeks ago but just got around to transferring from Yahoo.  I only need to transfer members and emails.  There are no files, attachments, links, ect.  In addition to wanting to know if you will re-enable transfers, I would also like to know if this is something I can do myself.  If it is, can you please provide some guidance.

If Groups.io cannot accommodate you, you should be able to do this yourself with two pieces of software from Personal Groupware.

Personal Groupware Offline (PGO4) automatically downloads all the messages (and attachments, files, and photos if you have them.

Personal Groupware Offline to Groups,io (PGO-2-GIO) uploads the files to a group you create in Groups.io. Message numbers will be maintained, and attachments (if any) will be retained.

At this very moment I just checked and downloads from Yahoo are working.


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Larry Marks
moderated In the queue?

Rol
 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Thanks for struggling through the Yahoo glitches!

 

I have been patiently waiting since yesterday, having followed your instructions then not to upgrade until the Yahoo problem is fixed. 

 

Now it is the afternoon of Dec 1 and I am worrying I will lose my ability to transfer our group entirely.

 

Am I still in the queue if Yahoo gets fixed and you can do transfers again?

 

Can I at least upgrade now and transfer everything except the message posts?

 

Any other solution for me and our 2,000 members?

 

Cheers,

     Rol

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moderated What constitutes an "existing transfer request"? Re: [beta] Another Yahoo Groups outage

Kathleen Michels
 

Hi Mark,
 We paid for the premium upgrade before being aware of the latest outage. You wrote: 
"Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline."

So by "existing"  - does our paid for upgrade to premium constitute an "existing" request? We received acknowledgement of the upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step in the transfer- the button was  not active. This applies to at least  3 lists I am involved in (have helped pay for).

Thanks so much!
-Kathy

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 1:14 PM Kathleen Michels via Groups.Io <michelskm2016=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
So by existing - do you mean complete up to upgrade to premium  paid for? We received acknowledgement of upgrade to premium payment but not able to go on to next step

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 12:13 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?

Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

J_Catlady
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 02:50 PM, Duane wrote:
Of course, if their deletion of content is as accurate as their "no uploads" deadline, the messages may be there for months
Ha!
 
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moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Adrian Groenendyk <amgroene1@...>
 

Hi,

I updated to premium a few weeks ago but just got around to transferring from Yahoo.  I only need to transfer members and emails.  There are no files, attachments, links, ect.  In addition to wanting to know if you will re-enable transfers, I would also like to know if this is something I can do myself.  If it is, can you please provide some guidance.

Thanks,
Adrian
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Larry Denenberg
 

Us too. We got our ducks in a row before December 1, but that wasn't soon enough, it turns out.

I have independently requested my content from Yahoo, and (like another poster) was surprised to get *all* content from *all* groups I belong too. Perhaps if group transfers were re-enabled just for member lists, or maybe for everything but messages, Mark could arrange for restoring messages later, at leisure, from these downloaded content stores, rather than from Yahoo itself.
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Duane
 

On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 02:24 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th.
That's not the way most people are interpreting the YG announcement.  The say you can continue as an email only group, but specifically mentioned that Conversations will be deleted.  Of course, if their deletion of content is as accurate as their "no uploads" deadline, the messages may be there for months! ;>)

Duane
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

D R Stinson
 

On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 06:52 PM, Alisdair MacRae Birch wrote:

the zip file contains all the data (posts, files, photos etc) from
all the groups that I was ever subscribed to
That's actually somewhat scary!
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J
I'm curious to see if I ever get anything. I requested the contents of the groups I belonged to, including one group that Yahoo later said didn't exist. Anymore, I'm convinced Yahoo could screw up an anvil.

Then again, pessimists get a lot of nice surprises. We'll see!

Dano
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Oops, sorry... we also need to move the members!

On 12/1/2019 1:20 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Hi Mark,

I understand that Yahoo will keep the messages online after December 14th. Would you be able to keep trying to transfer them after the 14th? (I've downloaded the photos and files, and I can upload them manually if I have to. But Yahoo wouldn't give me the messages.)

Thanks!
Jerry

On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 09:12:59 PST, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 9:08 AM Kathleen Michels <michelskm2016@...> wrote:
Hi Mark, we have a few groups paid for and in the process  but  that are apparently in limbo still waiting for transfer. You set today as the original transfer deadline. If they don't make it to the transfer stage  today is that it and we have lost the transfer opportunity or will you still be transferring if yahoogroups finally allows,?
Given my December 1st deadline and Yahoo's continuing unreliability, I can no longer accept new transfer requests. If you have an existing transfer request, I will continue to try to complete the transfer up until the December 14th deadline.

Thanks,
Mark
moderated Re: if you want to try to export your stuff...

Fred Hicks
 

Definitely worked to download 12k+ members from the list I care about the most!


On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:22 AM <ajomccauley@...> wrote:
...just as a backup plan, truly!

This member export script worked for me. I was able to get our list of 1700 members exported to json files of 100 members each (you might be able to go bigger, I didn't try):
http://yahoogroupedia.pbworks.com/w/page/79909487/Chrome%20Application%20to%20Download%20Members

Note: I didn't use the chrome extension, I looked at the code and got the data exported simply by going to the URL (I think if you download the ZIP and look at it, you'll see what I mean).
Note: I did this before November.
Note: I haven't tried the companion script to download the message archive.

Hope this helps! I'm on my phone at the moment, but if there's interest, I can dig up some more info, I think I still have stuff saved on my computer.

(To be clear, we used and were beyond happy with the groups.io transfer service, I only did this download as a "just in case" backup.)

Cheers,
Alison



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