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moderated Re: Invitations to Yahoogroups

Janis
 

Another way:

When inviting groups.io, check mark the box for the option to add to email list only.
Groups.io will be sent an invite to accept.  Change the new member, Groups.io mail delivery to no email  and promote to moderator.

This should work to give Mark access.  But Yahoo is erroring out, and unbelievably slow this week. It kept dragging its feet between pages yesterday and would time out and show the sign in page.  I would hit the back button and was still.signed in and continued.  See the transfer request page!


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Mycenius
 

Hi Kathleen,
 
 
It's discussed quite a bit on the forums here.


moderated Re: Invitations to Yahoogroups

Duane
 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 03:34 PM, <bschwerer@...> wrote:
The transfer agent still hasn't joined yet.  And we still need to upgrade to premium to get the transfer if the issues clear up
The instructions say to upgrade first, then invite.  Doing things out of order is not a good start.  Detailed instructions can be found at https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/24431

Duane


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:34 PM Peter Harrison <peterrh@...> wrote:

I've managed to use the Yahoo API to download the files, photos and member list for two groups that I was aiming to transfer. I'm currently downloading the messages for one group. I'm using a modified version of the IgnoredAmbience Yahoo Group Archiver - my modifications make it more reliable! I hope that, by the end of the week, I'll have all the messages in both raw and HTML format as JSON files along with the message metadata (also JSON). The members list is also in JSON, as is the metadata for the files and images.

If I manage to get everything will it be possible to transfer it to Groups.io? Or do I need to get the messages into mbox format? Happy to pay for premium membership for the two groups concerned.


The messages would have to be in mbox format (specifically mboxrd as referenced by the wikipedia entry). But I'd need to see what the messages look like before saying whether they could be imported, because I'd need to see if the full headers were downloaded, and if the character encoding was done correctly. Preferably, Yahoo gets its act together and fixes their message issue before December 14 so that we can do normal group exports.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Peter Harrison
 

Mark,

I've managed to use the Yahoo API to download the files, photos and member list for two groups that I was aiming to transfer. I'm currently downloading the messages for one group. I'm using a modified version of the IgnoredAmbience Yahoo Group Archiver - my modifications make it more reliable! I hope that, by the end of the week, I'll have all the messages in both raw and HTML format as JSON files along with the message metadata (also JSON). The members list is also in JSON, as is the metadata for the files and images.

If I manage to get everything will it be possible to transfer it to Groups.io? Or do I need to get the messages into mbox format? Happy to pay for premium membership for the two groups concerned.

Thanks
Peter


moderated Re: Invitations to Yahoogroups

Roger Colwell
 

If it helps at all, Simon, I did a test earlier today to invite a new member to one of my old Yahoo groups, then promote that person to moderator. I did this experiment only to see why so many Yahoo group owners are having issues at present; I concede that their services are extremely flaky at present and maybe I was lucky in completing the following:

 

At first, I tried sending the invite logged into my Yahoo group on my Windows 10 PC; the first snag was I couldn't send the invitation as all I got were errors — I was using username@.... Then I tried the strategy that I used in the past when inviting transfer@groups.io which is: GIO Transfer <transfer@groups.io> and this was accepted on first attempt. Which format have you been trying?

 

Following receipt of the invitation I found it necessary to create a new Yahoo account for username@... which I did on my Mac (in order to stay logged in on my PC). I was able to setup a new account using that non-Yahoo address and then I tried to register with my Yahoo Group. It wouldn't complete using Firefox; it wouldn't complete using Safari! In the end, I tried registering on my PC using Firefox and it worked first attempt!

 

I hope this may be of use to other struggling owner/admins ...

 

Roger

 

From: main@beta.groups.io On Behalf Of Simon Hedges
Sent: 26 November 2019 08:00
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Invitations to Yahoogroups

 

Hi,

 

I’m having problems inviting transfer@groups.io to my Yahoogroups – I’ve tried repeatedly over several days, but it throws up an error each time.  Are others having issues with this?

 

Simon


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Bob Bellizzi
 

To paraphrase a  very old article in the once great Datamation Magazine,l
Yahoo's Board has consistently "snatched defeat from the jaws of victory"!

--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Mycenius
 

Morning All

@Mark - is this issue likely to be affecting all facets of Yahoo!Groups data access? Like Janis I've successfully transferred by most critical (largest/most active) group, however I have about 5 others that have had no meaningful activity for a couple of years (or more in some cases) so I haven't bothered transferring them. Instead I am using the PG Offline app to download all the files, photos, member detail and posts - and I have found this erratic over the weekend, in some cases reporting there are no files or photos to download when I know there are and it has done it successfully for other groups. The app works fine so I have been suspecting some transient issue on the Yahoo! side, and your post seems to confirm this.


moderated Re: Invitations to Yahoogroups

bschwerer@...
 

Our group was having this issue.  The original owner who was not involved upgraded the moderator to owner, but some permissions were left unset.  Eventually the original owner got around to enabling "invite" permissions to the moderator and they were able to invite.  She had several timeouts on links though.  The transfer agent still hasn't joined yet.  And we still need to upgrade to premium to get the transfer if the issues clear up


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

 

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:29 AM Janis <jhurstartist@...> wrote:

I was able to add one of my other email addresses to one of my Yahoo groups. I did this by checking the box to add only to email list.  It sent an invite to my AOL which I accepted.  Then I promoted New Member Me with the AOL address to Moderator.I
I do not know if it makes a difference but the AOL address is already in another group using a YahooID and has been a moderator in this other Yahoo group.

If getting access is the problem with Yahoo transfers, I think you can use this.  Only the way to add the new member has changed. Everything else worked the same.


The main issue is with archives. Crawling the archives either times out, trips the rate limiter, or returns a server error. A secondary issue apparently is that people are having difficulty sending invites.


Mark 


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Janis
 

Mark,
I was able to add one of my other email addresses to one of my Yahoo groups. I did this by checking the box to add only to email list.  It sent an invite to my AOL which I accepted.  Then I promoted New Member Me with the AOL address to Moderator.I
I do not know if it makes a difference but the AOL address is already in another group using a YahooID and has been a moderator in this other Yahoo group.

If getting access is the problem with Yahoo transfers, I think you can use this.  Only the way to add the new member has changed. Everything else worked the same.

Have group owners check the box for the add only to email option and 
the invite will go through so your team can accept it.

Hope this helps.  My groups are already transferred, but I am concerned for others.

Janis


moderated Invitations to Yahoogroups

Simon Hedges
 

Hi,

 

I’m having problems inviting transfer@groups.io to my Yahoogroups – I’ve tried repeatedly over several days, but it throws up an error each time.  Are others having issues with this?

 

Simon


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Ali
 

We've been archiving the two groups we submitted on Friday 11/22, as a back, just in case! But as you said Sun 11/24 and Mon 11/25 it has been very temperamental with time-outs and repeatedly asking for logins. Since about 7pm EST today Mon 11/25, it seems to have settled down somewhat and we are proceeding well. Hopefully you are finding the same!

-A


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

 

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 7:12 AM <manager@...> wrote:
We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

If your group hasn't been transferred yet, you're in the same boat.

I was able to transfer 4 groups last night during (an apparently brief) window of Yahoo working ok. But then Yahoo started erroring out again. I will continue to keep trying.


Mark


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Ann Goodspeed <Goodspeedanne@...>
 

I’m in the same boat. 

Ann Goodspeed

On Nov 25, 2019, at 10:12 AM, manager@... wrote:

We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

Appreciate all of your help!
Ahlam


moderated Re: Transfer GIO group to another GIO subgroup?

Greg Elmassian
 

A similar request, so trying not to derail this topic.

Need to subsume one group into another.... created a group since original yahoo group did not want to move (actually procrastinating)....

this year the original yahoo group decided to move, and I am the owner of the first, smaller group: Zimo, and the larger migrated group Zimo-DCC....

All I need is the messages from Zimo copied into Zimo-DCC, then I will delete the Zimo group.

I can export messages, just not import.... so we just need one small piece... clearly there is a way to import since you have transferred Yahoo groups.


Greg Elmassian


moderated Thankful!

Tom Biggs GFCA
 

Mark,
 
Thank you for getting our group transferred just under the wire last Friday.  We had only made the decision on Monday night to move to Groups.io.  We worked on it around the clock and had multiple issues with Yahoo! before we were set up for transfer.  Once the ready for transfer button was pushed and from all that has been written here, I thought it would take days at least, instead it took minutes. Little did we know we weren't just waiting in line, but instead were in a race against the crushing tidal wave of Yahoo's implosion.  I've been impressed by your attention to detail AND your ability to communicate, keeping us in the loop.  Keep up your good work!
--
Tom Biggs
GFCA


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

Maria Lazzarino
 

We upgraded to premium last week and groups.io accepted our moderator request on Friday, November 22, 2019 telling us you  all would keep us posted (and to expect a delay etc.).

How do I find out if we are part of the group that is now in limbo? The only message I see on our group page is in the easy group transfer request and it says not to upgrade premium because of the outage (we already did this though).

Appreciate all of your help!
Ahlam


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

 

J_Catlady asks:
> My question: Is it now the case that more of yahoo
> groups is dysfunctional than prsviously announced -
> i.e., is the mailing list functionality also down or
> degraded at this point?
 
J -
I can offer my experience for what limited value it is. One group I belong(ed) to, and which we were copying to groups.io, simply ceased to exist according to Yahoo about November 7th. It showed up in my Yahoo groups list for another couple weeks, but now no longer exists there either.
 
The lesson I'm drawing from all this is that Y! is incapable of keeping such a system operating and their word means nothing. At this point I don't expect anything viable to remain of Y! groups after a year. They took a system that worked well and was still drawing attention and slowly ''fixed it'' until it was completely broken.
 
Dano
 


moderated Re: New Yahoo Group transfer requests disabled

 

Thanks Mark for working on all this!  Gesine