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locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

  • When adding/updating calendar events, you now have the option to send a notice to your group. The notice includes an ics attachment, which makes it easy to add the event to other calendars, like Outlook or Google Calendar.
  • We're now setting the correct filename on attachments downloaded from archives.

Mark


locked Re: Digest delivery

 

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Jim Poston <poston@vch-nv.us> wrote:
When does the digest go out?
The cronjob runs at 12:15am every morning. Also, if there are 25
messages to a group during the day, that'll trigger a digest as well.

Mark


locked Re: Daily digest

 

On 17 Mar 2015 at 10:29, Mark Fletcher wrote:

For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from
the current plain text digest?
I think HTML and plain text should be options, with moderators also
having the ability to adjust the option for the user, as Shal said.

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< 'They're coming to take me away, HA-HAAAA!' >>


locked Digest delivery

 

When does the digest go out?

I have a member who wants to send out a surprise birthday notification,
but doesn't want her husband to see it.

I thought I could easily just set him to No Mail, send the invite, and then
reset him. But of course, he's on digest.

So, if I keep him on No Mail for a day, would that be good enough to miss
the invitation. Of course, he'll miss any other messages that day, but
they'll be out of town, so less likely to notice when they get back.

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Macintosh - like Nintendo, but fewer games available. >>


locked Re: Daily digest

 

Mark,

For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from
the current plain text digest?
I'm a bit torn on that. I'm no fan of HTML in email, but I do recognize the advantages it can have for a digest. So my temptation is to let the user decide. But then there is also Judy's sensible concern about having too many options.

Part of Judy's concern is mitigated if the user's selection is visible to the moderator through the Members list. That way at least the moderator can offer help that is appropriate to what the user is receiving. Heh, Message Format: "Traditional" versus "Fully Featured" was Yahoo's terminology for this option. The option applied to both individual and digest messages.

-- Shal



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//\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Remember -
\\// No HTML/RTF in email | You can't get a virus infection from ASCII!
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//\\ Respect open standards | ASCII email you sent."


locked Wiki Bug #bug

RS
 

Hi Mark,

We made a new wiki page with a hastag in the title.  When one clicks on the link, however, it takes us to the main page instead.  It somehow causes the

groupname/wiki/pagename#1

to become

groupname#1


This also means you can't delete the page link on the default table of contents page. 

This happened to occur in a subgroup, if that's relevant.

Thanks,


-Tyger


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site the last couple days:

  • We now handle emails with References headers that contain duplicates.
  • Calendar reminders are now being sent through the group instead of directly to subscribers.
  • We now strip quoted messages in digests if there is one quoted part and it's at the end of the message and the message is not the first message in a thread.
  • We're more intelligent about stripping Outlook style quoted messages in digests.

Mark


locked Logo

 

Hi All,

Thanks to everyone who reviewed the logos. I very much appreciated
everyone's opinions. The diversity and quantity of excellent logos
made it a difficult decision. In the end, I went with a couple
criteria:

- The logo should fit the current 'design aesthetic' of the site, such as it is.
- It should be suitable for a company offering services to businesses
(as we will with our organization plans).
- It should look good as a small, black and white icon.

I came down to #10 and #44. I liked #44, but in the end I thought it
was a little busy when made as a small icon. So I went with #10 (the
envelope with dots at the line intersections). Hopefully I'll get the
artwork in the next day or so and it'll be on the site before the end
of the week.

Thanks again everyone!
Mark


locked Re: Digest layout

Laurence Taylor
 

kr402@yahoo.com wrote:


That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...
Ronaldo
It is not in English so I can not read it.
The link to the English version is broken; you need
https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html .

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Daily digest

Adam Irgon <adamirgon@...>
 

Thanks Mark. Some easy on the eyes formatting and an index would be a great start. 

 Adam



locked Re: Daily digest

 

On 3/17/2015 3:31 PM, Shal Farley wrote:


They do? The closest thing I know of to that is the Updates email. It
tells you about activity in any of your groups today, but it excludes
messages and calendar events.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/updates-email-options-sln2530.html
Yuck - sounds like what AARP decides you want if you prefer to get all
messages via email and have the temerity to not want to visit their
oh-so-special web site. With the added bit that if you *still* don't
visit the web site, they cut you off completely...

Complaints fall on deaf ears.

dg


locked Re: Daily digest

 

For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from
the current plain text digest?
Yes, but let the default be plain text. I think we're better off having the defaults for settings be the simplest or cleanest option so new members aren't overwhelmed.
Dano


locked Re: Daily digest

Judy F.
 

Duane, I know that, but it does not show this special email I am referring to for members. All you can see is the actual mail delivery option, i.e. digest, individual, no mail, etc. The only place I can see this is on my own email preferences.



Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:06 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Daily digest

Judy,

A BIG help here is that an owner (or moderator with permissions) can see (and change) how a members email options are set. That should make it much easier to assist someone having difficulties. Having the group owner be able to set the default digest mode for their groups might help. Then allow the members to change if they want.

Duane


locked Re: Daily digest

Judy F.
 

Sorry Shal, it is everything except messages, but the example still remains the same. It is still hard to determine a problem if there are so many things that the member can change and then a lot of them can't remember doing it.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:32 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Daily digest

Judy,

> Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email with > all of the various new messages from all of the groups a member > belongs to.

They do? The closest thing I know of to that is the Updates email. It tells you about activity in any of your groups today, but it excludes messages and calendar events.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/updates-email-options-sln2530.html

> All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we are > seeing in digests on Yahoo Groups and especially the various symbols > such as % #, etc. which I guess happens when a message is sent from > an email program that is set up for HTML.

The gibberish that shows up in Yahoo Groups digests most frequently at the moment results from a bug in Yahoo Mail. Sometimes when a Yahoo Mail user replies to a message from a Yahoo Group, the text/HTML of their reply looks fine but the text/plain body of their reply includes a block of what appears to be CSS code. And since Yahoo Groups forms the digest from the text/plain parts of messages the gibberish is exposed there, but not in the Messages archive nor (for most recipients) in individual mail.

Which is the long way of saying: it's a Yahoo thing. I don't expect to see it here unless by some misfortune messages from Groups.io might trigger the same bug if you happen to have a member using Yahoo Mail.

There are two other kinds of gibberish to which Yahoo Groups are prone.
One is HTML character entities displayed in a plain text context, the other is UTF-8 characters displayed in an ISO/IEC context or vice-versa.
Two more issues I hope not to bump into at Groups.io.

-- Shal


locked Re: Daily digest

 

Judy,

Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email with
all of the various new messages from all of the groups a member
belongs to.
They do? The closest thing I know of to that is the Updates email. It tells you about activity in any of your groups today, but it excludes messages and calendar events.
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/updates-email-options-sln2530.html

All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we are
seeing in digests on Yahoo Groups and especially the various symbols
such as % #, etc. which I guess happens when a message is sent from
an email program that is set up for HTML.
The gibberish that shows up in Yahoo Groups digests most frequently at the moment results from a bug in Yahoo Mail. Sometimes when a Yahoo Mail user replies to a message from a Yahoo Group, the text/HTML of their reply looks fine but the text/plain body of their reply includes a block of what appears to be CSS code. And since Yahoo Groups forms the digest from the text/plain parts of messages the gibberish is exposed there, but not in the Messages archive nor (for most recipients) in individual mail.

Which is the long way of saying: it's a Yahoo thing. I don't expect to see it here unless by some misfortune messages from Groups.io might trigger the same bug if you happen to have a member using Yahoo Mail.

There are two other kinds of gibberish to which Yahoo Groups are prone. One is HTML character entities displayed in a plain text context, the other is UTF-8 characters displayed in an ISO/IEC context or vice-versa. Two more issues I hope not to bump into at Groups.io.

-- Shal


locked Re: Daily digest

Duane
 

Judy,

A BIG help here is that an owner (or moderator with permissions) can see (and change) how a members email options are set. That should make it much easier to assist someone having difficulties. Having the group owner be able to set the default digest mode for their groups might help. Then allow the members to change if they want.

Duane


locked Re: Daily digest

Judy F.
 

I don't think it should be an option. Things are getting to the point that everything is an option and if we owners/moderators are trying to help someone and can't seem to figure out the problem, then we would have to start asking did you do this option or that option. Half of them wouldn't have any idea what you are talking about or even know how to find it.

Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email with all of the various new messages from all of the groups a member belongs to. Now that's great until they decide to not receive messages from a group (no mail) and they continue to get them. We have no way of knowing they signed up for the special message because it isn't tied to mail delivery changes, etc. Until they send us that message, they get mad we get frustrated.

All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we are seeing in digests on Yahoo Groups and especially the various symbols such as % #, etc. which I guess happens when a message is sent from an email program that is set up for HTML.

Thanks,

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:30 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Daily digest

Hi Adam,

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Adam Irgon <adamirgon@gmail.com> wrote:
I rely heavily on the daily digest, and find it to be kind of primitive.
Any plans for html and other beautifiers?
Definitely a possibility. What features would you like to see in an HTML digest? It'd have linking from the table of contents at the top to the messages themselves. Any other features?

For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from the current plain text digest?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: suggestion for groups.io?

Trish McDonald
 

Maybe searching them by tags or key words? Give list owners the ability to add tags? 

I know Yahoo's group category levels got so convoluted as it grew it became impossible to drill down to the appropriate category easily. I think letting list owners provide searchable keywords/tags for their group might make individual groups easier to find.

Trish




On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:39 AM, emily <fallenangel09@...> wrote:
hi.

i'm hoping it's okay to suggest something here, and i doubt this can happen, given how the groups.io service is all ready set up to display the list of groups, but i'll ask anyway...

i was wondering if we could have sub categories for the groups.

currently, the groups are displayed in alphabettical order, and also you can search for them by keyword.

but i think it would be an awsome eddition.

their's all ready newest, and most popular (how i found this group to begin with), so perhaps a category list can go under those 2 links

what are your thoughts

emily






locked Re: Digest layout

 

Ronaldo,

Is there any reason to not do it for single messages?
In single messages I don't have to scroll past the trailing quotes, I
just move on to the next message. So there's no benefit to justify the
risk that the automation might erroneously delete content of value.

Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include key
parts of quote. Let's not encourage wrong habits.
Vehemently disagree. I'll never teach the members of The-Tech-Zone "proper" quoting. Not even if I were their moderator. My impression is that many of the members there are vision impaired or otherwise limited in what they /can/ do to in-line quote.

It makes no sense to deprive me (and the other members of the group) of a useful digest just because the majority of members of that group can't or won't quote in a manner that you or I might prefer.

-- Shal


locked Re: suggestion for groups.io?

Duane
 

After thinking about it a bit, I like using multiple "unrestricted" tag type identifications better than categories. If we wanted to, we could assign something nonsensical, say "oekftu859" that would only show our groups. At the same time, we could use terms that should be readily findable in a search that, hopefully, describe our groups as others could be expected to think of them. We could include general terms related to our groups, along with specific items that might narrow it down. I do think there should be some sort of limit on each group (10 or 20 at most ?) so that it wouldn't end up like some web sites that include every imaginable word just so they show up in searches. I'm not sure what the maximum length of each string should be. Probably easier to implement this than categories/sub-topics.

When I was on Yahoo, the biggest problem with categories and sub-topics is that often there weren't the exact ones we needed.

Duane