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Site updates
#changelog
Changes to the site today:
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Re: Digest delivery
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Jim Poston <poston@vch-nv.us> wrote:
When does the digest go out?The cronjob runs at 12:15am every morning. Also, if there are 25 messages to a group during the day, that'll trigger a digest as well. Mark
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Re: Daily digest
On 17 Mar 2015 at 10:29, Mark Fletcher wrote:
For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option fromI think HTML and plain text should be options, with moderators also having the ability to adjust the option for the user, as Shal said. -- Jim Poston@vch-nv.us << 'They're coming to take me away, HA-HAAAA!' >>
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Digest delivery
When does the digest go out?
I have a member who wants to send out a surprise birthday notification, but doesn't want her husband to see it. I thought I could easily just set him to No Mail, send the invite, and then reset him. But of course, he's on digest. So, if I keep him on No Mail for a day, would that be good enough to miss the invitation. Of course, he'll miss any other messages that day, but they'll be out of town, so less likely to notice when they get back. -- Jim Poston@vch-nv.us << Macintosh - like Nintendo, but fewer games available. >>
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Re: Daily digest
Mark,
For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option fromI'm a bit torn on that. I'm no fan of HTML in email, but I do recognize the advantages it can have for a digest. So my temptation is to let the user decide. But then there is also Judy's sensible concern about having too many options. Part of Judy's concern is mitigated if the user's selection is visible to the moderator through the Members list. That way at least the moderator can offer help that is appropriate to what the user is receiving. Heh, Message Format: "Traditional" versus "Fully Featured" was Yahoo's terminology for this option. The option applied to both individual and digest messages. -- Shal __ //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Remember - \\// No HTML/RTF in email | You can't get a virus infection from ASCII! XX No Word docs in email | No one has ever said "I can't read that //\\ Respect open standards | ASCII email you sent."
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Wiki Bug
#bug
Hi Mark, We made a new wiki page with a hastag in the title. When one clicks on the link, however, it takes us to the main page instead. It somehow causes the groupname/wiki/pagename#1 to become groupname#1
This happened to occur in a subgroup, if that's relevant. Thanks, -Tyger
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Site updates
#changelog
Changes to the site the last couple days:
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Logo
Hi All,
Thanks to everyone who reviewed the logos. I very much appreciated everyone's opinions. The diversity and quantity of excellent logos made it a difficult decision. In the end, I went with a couple criteria: - The logo should fit the current 'design aesthetic' of the site, such as it is. - It should be suitable for a company offering services to businesses (as we will with our organization plans). - It should look good as a small, black and white icon. I came down to #10 and #44. I liked #44, but in the end I thought it was a little busy when made as a small icon. So I went with #10 (the envelope with dots at the line intersections). Hopefully I'll get the artwork in the next day or so and it'll be on the site before the end of the week. Thanks again everyone! Mark
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Re: Digest layout
Laurence Taylor
kr402@yahoo.com wrote:
The link to the English version is broken; you need https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html . -- rgds LAurence <><
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Re: Daily digest
Adam Irgon <adamirgon@...>
Thanks Mark. Some easy on the eyes formatting and an index would be a great start. Adam
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Re: Daily digest
On 3/17/2015 3:31 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Yuck - sounds like what AARP decides you want if you prefer to get all messages via email and have the temerity to not want to visit their oh-so-special web site. With the added bit that if you *still* don't visit the web site, they cut you off completely... Complaints fall on deaf ears. dg
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Re: Daily digest
For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option fromYes, but let the default be plain text. I think we're better off having the defaults for settings be the simplest or cleanest option so new members aren't overwhelmed. Dano
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Re: Daily digest
Judy F.
Duane, I know that, but it does not show this special email I am referring to for members. All you can see is the actual mail delivery option, i.e. digest, individual, no mail, etc. The only place I can see this is on my own email preferences.
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From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:06 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Re: Daily digest Judy, A BIG help here is that an owner (or moderator with permissions) can see (and change) how a members email options are set. That should make it much easier to assist someone having difficulties. Having the group owner be able to set the default digest mode for their groups might help. Then allow the members to change if they want. Duane
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Re: Daily digest
Judy F.
Sorry Shal, it is everything except messages, but the example still remains the same. It is still hard to determine a problem if there are so many things that the member can change and then a lot of them can't remember doing it.
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 6:32 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Daily digest Judy, > Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email with > all of the various new messages from all of the groups a member > belongs to. They do? The closest thing I know of to that is the Updates email. It tells you about activity in any of your groups today, but it excludes messages and calendar events. https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/updates-email-options-sln2530.html > All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we are > seeing in digests on Yahoo Groups and especially the various symbols > such as % #, etc. which I guess happens when a message is sent from > an email program that is set up for HTML. The gibberish that shows up in Yahoo Groups digests most frequently at the moment results from a bug in Yahoo Mail. Sometimes when a Yahoo Mail user replies to a message from a Yahoo Group, the text/HTML of their reply looks fine but the text/plain body of their reply includes a block of what appears to be CSS code. And since Yahoo Groups forms the digest from the text/plain parts of messages the gibberish is exposed there, but not in the Messages archive nor (for most recipients) in individual mail. Which is the long way of saying: it's a Yahoo thing. I don't expect to see it here unless by some misfortune messages from Groups.io might trigger the same bug if you happen to have a member using Yahoo Mail. There are two other kinds of gibberish to which Yahoo Groups are prone. One is HTML character entities displayed in a plain text context, the other is UTF-8 characters displayed in an ISO/IEC context or vice-versa. Two more issues I hope not to bump into at Groups.io. -- Shal
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Re: Daily digest
Judy,
Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email withThey do? The closest thing I know of to that is the Updates email. It tells you about activity in any of your groups today, but it excludes messages and calendar events. https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/updates-email-options-sln2530.html All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we areThe gibberish that shows up in Yahoo Groups digests most frequently at the moment results from a bug in Yahoo Mail. Sometimes when a Yahoo Mail user replies to a message from a Yahoo Group, the text/HTML of their reply looks fine but the text/plain body of their reply includes a block of what appears to be CSS code. And since Yahoo Groups forms the digest from the text/plain parts of messages the gibberish is exposed there, but not in the Messages archive nor (for most recipients) in individual mail. Which is the long way of saying: it's a Yahoo thing. I don't expect to see it here unless by some misfortune messages from Groups.io might trigger the same bug if you happen to have a member using Yahoo Mail. There are two other kinds of gibberish to which Yahoo Groups are prone. One is HTML character entities displayed in a plain text context, the other is UTF-8 characters displayed in an ISO/IEC context or vice-versa. Two more issues I hope not to bump into at Groups.io. -- Shal
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Re: Daily digest
Judy,
A BIG help here is that an owner (or moderator with permissions) can see (and change) how a members email options are set. That should make it much easier to assist someone having difficulties. Having the group owner be able to set the default digest mode for their groups might help. Then allow the members to change if they want. Duane
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Re: Daily digest
Judy F.
I don't think it should be an option. Things are getting to the point that everything is an option and if we owners/moderators are trying to help someone and can't seem to figure out the problem, then we would have to start asking did you do this option or that option. Half of them wouldn't have any idea what you are talking about or even know how to find it.
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Example: Yahoo has a feature where you can get a separate email with all of the various new messages from all of the groups a member belongs to. Now that's great until they decide to not receive messages from a group (no mail) and they continue to get them. We have no way of knowing they signed up for the special message because it isn't tied to mail delivery changes, etc. Until they send us that message, they get mad we get frustrated. All I ask, is please don't show all of the gibberish that we are seeing in digests on Yahoo Groups and especially the various symbols such as % #, etc. which I guess happens when a message is sent from an email program that is set up for HTML. Thanks, Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 1:30 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Daily digest Hi Adam, On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Adam Irgon <adamirgon@gmail.com> wrote: I rely heavily on the daily digest, and find it to be kind of primitive.Definitely a possibility. What features would you like to see in an HTML digest? It'd have linking from the table of contents at the top to the messages themselves. Any other features? For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from the current plain text digest? Thanks, Mark
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Re: suggestion for groups.io?
Maybe searching them by tags or key words? Give list owners the ability to add tags? I know Yahoo's group category levels got so convoluted as it grew it became impossible to drill down to the appropriate category easily. I think letting list owners provide searchable keywords/tags for their group might make individual groups easier to find. Trish
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:39 AM, emily <fallenangel09@...> wrote: hi.
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Re: Digest layout
Ronaldo,
Is there any reason to not do it for single messages?In single messages I don't have to scroll past the trailing quotes, I just move on to the next message. So there's no benefit to justify the risk that the automation might erroneously delete content of value. Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include keyVehemently disagree. I'll never teach the members of The-Tech-Zone "proper" quoting. Not even if I were their moderator. My impression is that many of the members there are vision impaired or otherwise limited in what they /can/ do to in-line quote. It makes no sense to deprive me (and the other members of the group) of a useful digest just because the majority of members of that group can't or won't quote in a manner that you or I might prefer. -- Shal
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Re: suggestion for groups.io?
After thinking about it a bit, I like using multiple "unrestricted" tag type identifications better than categories. If we wanted to, we could assign something nonsensical, say "oekftu859" that would only show our groups. At the same time, we could use terms that should be readily findable in a search that, hopefully, describe our groups as others could be expected to think of them. We could include general terms related to our groups, along with specific items that might narrow it down. I do think there should be some sort of limit on each group (10 or 20 at most ?) so that it wouldn't end up like some web sites that include every imaginable word just so they show up in searches. I'm not sure what the maximum length of each string should be. Probably easier to implement this than categories/sub-topics.
When I was on Yahoo, the biggest problem with categories and sub-topics is that often there weren't the exact ones we needed. Duane
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