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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 01:41 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
you can make that Wiki Page a Sticky Wiki page
Exactly right. There is actually *more* functionality here, not less, for posting links (and other material). A dedicated Links page is really just an anachronism.
 
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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 


I agree with Dave. We had a link-collection that wasn´t transformed correctly to GIO because it was designed like a medical textbook with folders and subfolders for every medical issue, corresponding to the structure we had in our files.

Take the example of a main folder for eye disorders, subfolders for glaucoma, cataract and so on... Then in each subfolder you could find links concerning these special issues and their description. By clicking on the description the respective link opended. Same with all the other dozens of medical issues like respiratory diseases, heart, liver, bladder, and, and, and...You just went there and a collection of links of the latest research results were available.

Moving to GIO only the folders werde transferred, the subfolders with their actual content were not transferred, and we had many dozens of them and hundreds of links to sites with fotos and very clear descriptions of the respective diseases. It all got lost. 

 On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 04:29 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Users can then add new "links" with no more effort than than clicking on "Add row" and pasting a link and optionally typing in some descriptive info and clicking on "Save Row".

That´s not what we need and according to my above description it´s far less comfortable. In fact, the yahoo version was a very user friendly application, very easy to handle and very clearly aranged. It´s the one feature I am really missing, for the handling of databases seems much more complicated to me, and folders/subfolders, quickly installed, were such a work simplification.

            In fact, if you have a group migrated from Yahoo, there will already by a links database so all the Owner/Moderator has to do is to allow  
            normal subscribers to add links if desired.


We blocked members from uploading links because this didn´t match our original needs, so that doesn´t change anything.

I understand Dave´s submissions very well, and maybe there is a way to get close to that easy handling of links some day, although I see that at the moment of more important issues all these feature requests have to stand back.

Victoria


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

Rude?
Sorry that you misunderstood that I was telling you how, on gio, one can take advantage of features to feature speciially important parts of the group's information that otherwise requires change of context.
GIO provides lots of handy features that should have been implemented on Yahoo.

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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

Funny because I was going to ask you the same thing. You make it personal. 

Please don’t do that. We’re talking about a software product. 

There’s no need to continually characterize my opinions. Simply express your own. 


On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:51 PM, Susan B <doggiesmail@...> wrote:

Why are you so rude?


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:57 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
in a file, in a wiki page, in a sticky message, wherever.
or even, as others have pointed out, in a database, if that's what gets you off.
 
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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

Why are you so rude?


On Nov 5, 2019, at 3:57 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
in a file, in a wiki page, in a sticky message, wherever.
or even, as others have pointed out, in a database, if that's what gets you off.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

And just think about using a WIKI page for links.
If they're so important you can make that Wiki Page a Sticky Wiki page at the top of your message page so members ca n easily access the important StickyWiki Page promptly without losing context
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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:56 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
in a file, in a wiki page, in a sticky message, wherever.
or even, as others have pointed out, in a database, if that's what gets you off.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:52 PM, Susan B wrote:
links are extremely important to our group
Great! Then understand that groups.io has not taken links away from your group. You are as free to post them as you ever were - in a file, in a wiki page, in a sticky message, wherever. You can call the file "Important links." You can call the wiki page "Important links to xyz" where zyz is the relevant topic. Etc. In no way does groups.io limit your ability to post links simply by not having a separate page called "Links." 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

No argument with your opinion. Mine is that links are extremely important to our group. 

Susan B


On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

This is one of those suggested features that I would argue strongly against - and before people jump on me for arguing against something "just because I personally don't want it," let me assure you preemptively that's not the case. I don't care one way or the other personally about this. I simply don't think it makes sense for a product like this to have a section specifically devoted to "links." There is nothing special about links, and a section specifically devoted to them, like yahoo had, strikes me as an ugly little wart sticking out of the UI. If someone wants to post links, they can post them anywhere else that general content can be posted. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:19 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
In groups.io you can also create folders,
meant to say, folders of files
 
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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 10:04 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
I  certainly would put up with a more primitive system
It wouldn't even be more primitive. OP mentions that yahoo lets you create folders of links. In groups.io you can also create folders, and if you just want to put links in them. or some of them, there's nothing preventing users from doing that. It's yahoo's odd "links" feature that strikes me as primitive.
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

This is one of those suggested features that I would argue strongly against - and before people jump on me for arguing against something "just because I personally don't want it," let me assure you preemptively that's not the case. I don't care one way or the other personally about this. I simply don't think it makes sense for a product like this to have a section specifically devoted to "links." There is nothing special about links, and a section specifically devoted to them, like yahoo had, strikes me as an ugly little wart sticking out of the UI. If someone wants to post links, they can post them anywhere else that general content can be posted. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

Thanks Mark, that shows in the fact that I was seeing about 20-25 groups per day dropping out in the list ahead of mine.  Now it is dropping at a faster rate so I will not have a real number until I do my stats at the end of the day. 

Keep up the great work, and thanks for letting us know.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 09:50 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages 
Congrats!
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

RCardona
 

Mark,

Thank you for your continued efforts to optimize the movement of Yahoo Groups to your platform as quickly as possible!  We appreciate you!  My group really enjoys their new home here at G.IO! 

Robert

On 11/5/19 12:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

I've been working to increase the speed of the import process. As a reminder, pulling the data out of Yahoo (the export process) has been caught up for some time now. This is fortunate because the most important thing is to save the data before Yahoo deletes it/stops working. And we are able to do that.

The bottleneck is importing the data into Groups.io, specifically importing group messages. Sunday evening I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages yesterday (2.4M) as our previous high water mark. I've made an additional change, which I hope will further speed up the process.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I  certainly would put up with a more primitive system that gio rather than the total unreliability and lack of any other redeeming qualities that Yahoo has exhibited for years.  They've been circling the drain for several years, attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Adieu and good riddance, Yahoo.  Long live gio!
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moderated Yahoo Group transfer update

 

Hi All,

I've been working to increase the speed of the import process. As a reminder, pulling the data out of Yahoo (the export process) has been caught up for some time now. This is fortunate because the most important thing is to save the data before Yahoo deletes it/stops working. And we are able to do that.

The bottleneck is importing the data into Groups.io, specifically importing group messages. Sunday evening I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages yesterday (2.4M) as our previous high water mark. I've made an additional change, which I hope will further speed up the process.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Dave,

It shouldn't be hard for an Owner / Moderator to make a "links" database table.

Users can then add new "links" with no more effort than than clicking on "Add row" and pasting a link and optionally typing in some descriptive info and clicking on "Save Row".

In fact, if you have a group migrated from Yahoo, there will already by a links database so all the Owner/Moderator has to do is to allow normal subscribers to add links if desired.

I am sure one could make a fancier "app" of some sort, but what we have certainly already meets my needs.
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Gerald


moderated Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Dave Bird
 

Yahoo groups has a links functionality which allows one to very simply add links, folders, and folders with links.

GIO functionality in this area is more primitive in that one has to construct the entire structure in the wiki, or a flat structure within the database. Yes, I've explored this in some detail. There's a distinct learning curve, not something that one would expect all members of a group to be able to do.

I'd really like to see this efficient links functionality added to GIO.

Thanks for considering.


moderated Re: Bounce History

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Once I would have agreed, but those people whom circumstances have dragged to groups.io with their groups are no longer “ordinary users” of necessity.

These people have an obligation to become familiar with the standard terms group administrators must use.  It’s not appropriate for us “Johnny-come-latelys” to barge in and try to redefine standards long agreed and now common reference.  

“When all else fails, read the instructions”!

Just my opinion,

WRB

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On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Jeremy Nicoll <yahgrp87@...> wrote:

I think it would be helpful if instead of the Account page having a "Recent Bounces" tab, that was renamed "Delivery Errors".   "Bounces" is only meaningful to people who understand the technology.  An ordinary user, suffering delivery problems, even if they look on their account page, won't realise that the Bounces button is relevant.




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