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moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Bob Buxton
 

There is nothing to stop a group owner including location information and categories within the group description which is then searchable on the 'find a group page' so is any new function needed?
Just  include  "Meetup Beverly Hills, CA, 90210" along with anything else that is relevant
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Bob


moderated Re: When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

I'm not Mark, but I suspect that unless it's an emergency or extremely time sensitive, nothing's going to get looked at until the Yahoo Groups deluge is over. You should probably hold off until then.

JohnF

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 06:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:


Mark,

Since you've said to hold off posting feature requests to beta (and even
submitting bug reports to support) during the yahoo transfers, I have started
compiling a list of problems/issues and saving them for "later." One of them
is somewhat serious, although I would not classify it as urgent. My question
is, what's "later" mean? Will you be announcing that you're open again for bug
reports and feature requests?

Thanks.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. -
Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my
desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the
time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest.
Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Bug in Settings Member Notices - Active Message #bug

Chris V
 

Mark
so sorry to have posted in the wrong place. I note this has been covered in the GMF but I don't tend to read all posts.
Perhaps the Invite messages should have some other flag than active, say Available or Selectable
This would be less confusing for owners.

Thanks for groups.io, it is a great system
Chris


moderated groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

jpeek@...
 

I'm just joining groups.io to move a few Yahoo Groups here. I'm also a member of a lot of groups at Meetup.com. Since Meetup may shut down if a buyer isn't found, I wonder whether groups.io might be able to pick up a lot of those groups. (Sorry if this has been discussed before. I searched but didn't find it.)

I don't know how much programming would be needed to make groups.io work a lot like Meetup... and I'm guessing that groups.io staff are swamped with the Yahoo Group migration! Groups.io already does a fair amount: group home pages, a calendar, emailed announcements (including ones sent from the calendar), chats, files (for maps, etc.), hashtags, and what else? (I'm new here.) The big missing feature, I think, is the ability to search for groups by location, like (to get started) a ZIP code or postal code. To start, people who search might get a list of all groups -- and look through the list to find ones they're interested in. Eventually, categories etc. would help.

I haven't given this a lot of thought. But I thought I'd mention it. If groups.io is interested in getting the revenue (a Meetup costs the owner more than $200 USD per year), maybe it could be worked in -- even if the setup is less tailored to meetup-type groups than the one at meetup.com?


moderated When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

Mark,

Since you've said to hold off posting feature requests to beta (and even submitting bug reports to support) during the yahoo transfers, I have started compiling a list of problems/issues and saving them for "later." One of them is somewhat serious, although I would not classify it as urgent. My question is, what's "later" mean? Will you be announcing that you're open again for bug reports and feature requests?

Thanks.


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

Drew
 

It was a little unclear to me whether he was referring to the message base only or file and photos also. The thread topic was "Downloading for future reinjection into io or other".


Drew

On 10/31/19 09:12, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:41 PM Drew <@af2z <mailto:@af2z>> wrote:
In the PGO forum I read that the author of PG Offline is intending to
add functionality to transfer the PGO downloaded Yahoo content into
Groups.io.
News to me. I wonder how they'll do that.
Mark


moderated Re: Bug in Settings Member Notices - Active Message #bug

Duane
 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 02:49 AM, Chris V wrote:
If I go into Admin > Settings and then look at the Member Notices section I find that the invite notice/message is not active.
This has been well covered in GMF and is not a bug.

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be able to preserve member ownership of transferred content without your cooperation, in which case you'd be aware of it.

JohnF

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 08:13 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:41 PM Drew <@af2z> wrote:
In the PGO forum I read that the author of PG Offline is intending to
add functionality to transfer the PGO downloaded Yahoo content into
Groups.io.
News to me. I wonder how they'll do that.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 6:16 AM txercoupemuseum.org <ercoguru@...> wrote:

I’m thinking I’m ready for Step 4 but I’m REALLY confused.  I believe I’ve clicked the “green Give Go Ahead to transfer button”…at least when I manage to find it and click it again I get a response that a transfer is already underway for my .io group.  As I recall there was something about this possibly taking several days.

I checked and you had not given the go ahead. I've gone ahead and done that for you.
 
In addition, one of my people is saying they can’t find Ercoupe Tech in the .io Groups.  I have no trouble finding it in the “search” box, but when I go to the “Publicly Listed Groups (starting with E) it should show between “Equinenittrates…” and “ErnieEckbergFlooring” )right?) and it doesn’t.  ???  Is this something that will correct itself when our download is complete, or ???

We don't modify the group description or name at all, so if it isn't showing up in the right place, that's a bug. Please submit it to support@groups.io.

 
SINCE giving the “Go Ahead” (?) I’ve been updating the notification notices, group description, etc.  Because the process apparently “locks out” the list owner in this phase I can’t confirm whether or not the message I have laboriously personalized will eventually go out to each Yahoo member that has been downloaded to the new io. Group.  Presuming I did check this box, will the welcoming message be the one existing when I initiated the “Go ahead” or will it be the one as I have since modified it?

There is no lock out. You can change your messages at any time. We use whatever welcome message exists when the actual transfer happens.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Mark,

I’m thinking I’m ready for Step 4 but I’m REALLY confused.  I believe I’ve clicked the “green Give Go Ahead to transfer button”…at least when I manage to find it and click it again I get a response that a transfer is already underway for my .io group.  As I recall there was something about this possibly taking several days.

So I BELIEVE (but don’t know how to confirm) ercoupe-tech is in the Yahoo Groups " given the go ahead as of 2pm Pacific time today”.

In addition, one of my people is saying they can’t find Ercoupe Tech in the .io Groups.  I have no trouble finding it in the “search” box, but when I go to the “Publicly Listed Groups (starting with E) it should show between “Equinenittrates…” and “ErnieEckbergFlooring” )right?) and it doesn’t.  ???  Is this something that will correct itself when our download is complete, or ???

SINCE giving the “Go Ahead” (?) I’ve been updating the notification notices, group description, etc.  Because the process apparently “locks out” the list owner in this phase I can’t confirm whether or not the message I have laboriously personalized will eventually go out to each Yahoo member that has been downloaded to the new io. Group.  Presuming I did check this box, will the welcoming message be the one existing when I initiated the “Go ahead” or will it be the one as I have since modified it?

Thanks for all that you (and your people?) are doing in trying to timely respond to so many in process at once.

Best!

WRB

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moderated Re: Bug in Settings Member Notices - Active Message #bug

 

Please remember that beta@ is not for bug reports. Please contact support@groups.io if you have a bug report.


On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 12:49 AM Chris V <chris@...> wrote:
If I go into Admin > Settings and then look at the Member Notices section I find that the invite notice/message is not active.

Only messages that are (potentially) involved in email commands have the concept of being active anymore. You used to be able to mark an invite message as active, but that was before there was a selector in the invite screen to pick which invite message to use.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:41 PM Drew <pubx1@...> wrote:
In the PGO forum I read that the author of PG Offline is intending to
add functionality to transfer the PGO downloaded Yahoo content into
Groups.io.

News to me. I wonder how they'll do that.


Mark 


moderated Bug in Settings Member Notices - Active Message #bug

Chris V
 

If I go into Admin > Settings and then look at the Member Notices section I find that the invite notice/message is not active.

If I edit that notice I find that the check box, Active Message, to set it as active is not displayed.

Looking at the html/css for the page the check box is there but has a style of Display: none

Am I correct and can this be fixed as I cannot see how to make the notice active?

thanks
Chris


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

Drew
 

In the PGO forum I read that the author of PG Offline is intending to add functionality to transfer the PGO downloaded Yahoo content into Groups.io.

Drew

On 10/31/19 00:31, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:27 PM Laurence Marks <@LarryMarks <mailto:@LarryMarks>> wrote:
/Would it be faster to import groups that have already been
downloaded with PG Offline? We have all messages, files, _and
attachments._ There are around 1000 messages. 240 of the messages
have around 400 attachments. We would even be willing to wait until
the queue is empty, since we can continue to use PGO until Dec. 18
and it's becoming a slow season for us. We would be especially
willing to wait if--once the pressure is off--you could make a
temporary accomodation to allowing us to manually restore the
attachments./
No, it would not be faster. The export is the easiest/fastest part; I can spin up 20-40 group exports at a time. It's the importing that's the bottleneck, and that's because I can't write to our database fast enough.
Another issue is that I'd have to reverse engineer the PG Offline file format. IIRC, they don't store things in text files, but in an embedded database. I don't know what that is, or what schema they're using. It'd take considerable development effort.
Finally, I certainly wouldn't trust Yahoo to keep Groups working until then. Right now for example it's having problems processing invites, which is slowing me down a lot.
Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:27 PM Laurence Marks <marks@...> wrote:

Would it be faster to import groups that have already been downloaded with PG Offline? We have all messages, files, and attachments. There are around 1000 messages. 240 of the messages have around 400 attachments. We would even be willing to wait until the queue is empty, since we can continue to use PGO until Dec. 18 and it's becoming a slow season for us. We would be especially willing to wait if--once the pressure is off--you could make a temporary accomodation to allowing us to manually restore the attachments.

No, it would not be faster. The export is the easiest/fastest part; I can spin up 20-40 group exports at a time. It's the importing that's the bottleneck, and that's because I can't write to our database fast enough.

Another issue is that I'd have to reverse engineer the PG Offline file format. IIRC, they don't store things in text files, but in an embedded database. I don't know what that is, or what schema they're using. It'd take considerable development effort.

Finally, I certainly wouldn't trust Yahoo to keep Groups working until then. Right now for example it's having problems processing invites, which is slowing me down a lot.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Transfer invites

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:05 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

In those situations where a member had already joined the group, does it still result in that member losing control of their content? As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if the transfer process didn't transfer the member, that broke the ownership link between the member and the content they had posted.

I think you're wrong. I mean, you should be wrong. :-) If the ownership doesn't transfer over, that'd be a bug.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Transfer invites

 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 02:52 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
If someone is already a member, then we do nothing.
Yep. Mark, just FYI, there are some yahoo group owners who don't understand this, and who are sending out special notices in their old yahoo groups screaming at members in all caps not to join the new groups.io group or it will screw everything up. Some are also telling people, repeatedly, in special notice after special notice, that if they do not want to belong to the groups.io group they "MUST UNSUBSCRIBE NOW" before the transfer. But of course, Yahoo's unsubscribe feature has been broken for years in many groups, not to mention that it's extremely easy for members to demur after the transfer (and as I recall, perhaps even during it). 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.


moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

Laurence Marks <marks@...>
 

Mark Fletcher wrote:
i All,
 
Here's the status of the various queues involved in the Yahoo Group transfer process:
 
- We've accepted all invites up through yesterday at 3pm Pacific time. Yahoo is being really slow right now, and processing invites is currently very time intensive.
- We are exporting Yahoo Groups that were given the go ahead as of 2pm Pacific time today (aka a bit more than 2 hours ago).
- We are importing Yahoo Groups that had completed export as of Oct 22 at 4pm Pacific time.

The bottleneck is importing groups. I am looking at ways to try and make that go faster, but I don't have anything yet.
 
Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for how I can make this more understandable.

Thanks,
Mark


Mark,

Would it be faster to import groups that have already been downloaded with PG Offline? We have all messages, files, and attachments. There are around 1000 messages. 240 of the messages have around 400 attachments. We would even be willing to wait until the queue is empty, since we can continue to use PGO until Dec. 18 and it's becoming a slow season for us. We would be especially willing to wait if--once the pressure is off--you could make a temporary accomodation to allowing us to manually restore the attachments.

Larry

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Larry Marks


moderated Re: Transfer invites

 

Mark Fletcher noted:
If someone is already a member, then we do nothing. We
don't copy over that person's name, if it's different. We
don't create a new account for them.
Mark -
In those situations where a member had already joined the group, does it still result in that member losing control of their content? As I recall, and please correct me if I'm wrong, if the transfer process didn't transfer the member, that broke the ownership link between the member and the content they had posted.
Dano


moderated Yahoo Group transfer update

 

Hi All,
 
Here's the status of the various queues involved in the Yahoo Group transfer process:
 
- We've accepted all invites up through yesterday at 3pm Pacific time. Yahoo is being really slow right now, and processing invites is currently very time intensive.
- We are exporting Yahoo Groups that were given the go ahead as of 2pm Pacific time today (aka a bit more than 2 hours ago).
- We are importing Yahoo Groups that had completed export as of Oct 22 at 4pm Pacific time.

The bottleneck is importing groups. I am looking at ways to try and make that go faster, but I don't have anything yet.
 
Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions for how I can make this more understandable.

Thanks,
Mark