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moderated Re: GIO in the long term

Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/17/2019 16:50, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
the only sure, long term things are Death and Taxes, to quote a fairly ancient pundit.
If you waste your time looking for "the best and longest lasting" thing, you are truly wasting your time and will never be quite satisfied.

Indeed. I am fairly sure that groups.io will not outlast the heat death of the universe.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: GIO in the long term

Bob Bellizzi
 

the only sure, long term things are Death and Taxes, to quote a fairly ancient pundit.
If you waste your time looking for "the best and longest lasting" thing, you are truly wasting your time and will never be quite satisfied.
Yahoo groups WAS a bastardization of either ecircles or egroups, which was Mark's creation.

Check to see if Google Groups operates equally well onliine as well as offline for someone who does not have a gmail address.
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moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

I see that emoticon didn't make it through. Let me try again. 
😊 😻


On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 4:03 PM J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
At least you are finally moving. 🤪


On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

At least you are finally moving. 🤪


On Oct 17, 2019, at 3:47 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

Maybe you heard about the most recent yahoo debacle only a day ago, but many of us have been warning many yahoo groups (including cats groups) for months, and in some cases years, that yahoo was on the verge of this, and urging them to move. And instead of being thanked, we have been poo-poo'd and worse. That's been frustrating.  In the face of many yahoo groups' files suddenly disappearing even starting years ago, and messages taking many hours to post or not post at all, or just disappearing, many yahoo groups members and owners have respond to suggestions to move to groups.io with "everything is fine, what do you expect from a free service, don't tell us what to do" etc. Hence my feeling that groups who have dug their heels in and refused to move shouldn't be complaining now. They had many chances to move and they resisted.

Not sure whether this applies to your group or not, but surely your group has experienced all the negative events that all the rest of yahoo groups have over the past few years.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

PurplePenny
 

The first I knew about it was yesterday evening (my time) when the notice appeared on my home page, it wasn't there the day before.  I set about transferring my group as soon as I knew.

Penny

On 17/10/2019 16:48, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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moderated Re: Does any new group coming to IO need to start out as a premium group?

 

Hi,

At least it is recommended that you start out as a premium group for the first month so you can directly add members and such (direct add isn’t possible with free groups; I recently took this route while transferring groups from Freelists to Groups.IO).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joan C
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2019 11:10 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Does any new group coming to IO need to start out as a premium group?

 

thanks for answering this. I already have a group on IO but was told this by someone wanting to transfer. 
I went to the transfer page and it does say that any transfer needs to be to a premium group for the first yet and then can reduce to free.
when I transferred this was no a requirement. 
Thanks
Joan 


moderated Does any new group coming to IO need to start out as a premium group?

Joan C
 

thanks for answering this. I already have a group on IO but was told this by someone wanting to transfer. 
I went to the transfer page and it does say that any transfer needs to be to a premium group for the first yet and then can reduce to free.
when I transferred this was no a requirement. 
Thanks
Joan 


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 7:53 AM Scott Logan <ssl@...> wrote:

I am a member of one more Y!G that is considering moving to GIO. The owner is also considering Google Groups. This group has been around for nearly 20 years (almost as long as my own).

 A valid concern has been brought up about the long-term viability of GIO, as expressed below.

 Can anyone provide some insight? Maybe Mark can comment, especially as to the financial realities.


My advice has always been that if you want to see GIO stay around, then upgrade to a premium group. That's the best way to show support. That goes for any service, not just us, btw.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Transferring a Yahoo Database (CSV) to My GIO Group

Robert Schechter
 

Sorry, I'm sure this has been discussed before but I searched messages and browsed Wiki. I run a neighborhood group of 43 members. I'm not going to pay $110 from my own pocket to have the group transferred automatically. Can someone tell me how to transfer a Yahoo database? I've downloaded a CSV, but need to know how to upload this as a database to GIO.

TIA,
Bob  


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:50 AM, Victoria wrote:
I don´t go near FB,
Me, neither!
 
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moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

J wrote: The vet in my group was (and possibly is still) in their group. Maybe I’ll reach out to him.

 

I already sent a message to the owners, J.

 

I hope they will read it. There haven´t been any activities in that group for a while so I am not sure if they haven´t already found a new group, maybe facebook?

 

I don´t go near FB, so I don´t know.

 

Victoria


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 09:35 AM, Bärbel Stephenson wrote:
got told off in a group yesterday for spreading untruths...
Right. Me, too, several years ago. I eventually gave up.
 
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moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer deadline

Margo Seegrist
 

Shal, I know Yahoo was sold and bought and sold again in the last year.  I also know that every time Microsoft does a Windows update, we lose the ability to see the photos in the albums in yahoogroups.

I know there is one person that was kept on when yahoogroups was sold the last time.  He's a manager now.  So he's "It" when it comes to maintaining the yahoogroups site.  I can always tell when he's on vacation or away from the office because the albums don't come up for some time.

For the last week or so we also had the white boxes for albums but Microsoft was kicking out updates like mad so he might have been waiting for all that to settle down.

I too am an optimist and see that the albums will show again in the not too distant future so we can download them and transfer them somewhere or at least get them on our computers.

Some of that info was told to me by my AOL tekkie (they are now both owned by the same company).

Sincerely,

Rli@...


moderated Re: Would love to have the ability to put albums within albums

Margo Seegrist
 

Thanks for the info, Bruce but we will need to see the photos when we go to the albums.  I know over in yahoogroups under attachments it was listed the way you described for the photos as files.  Not the nested part but just showing the name of the photo.

Sincerely,

Margo

In a message dated 10/16/2019 5:34:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, bruce.bowman@... writes:

On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 08:03 PM, Margo Seegrist wrote:
I am interested in the ability to have albums inside albums to make it cleaner for the site. 
Margo -- I totally agree that this would be a handy feature.

Just FYI, if you check the box for "allow photos in files" you can have nested photo albums in the files section. Unfortunately this does not display the photos as thumbnails/slideshows or provide any of the other features of a photo album...just basic storage.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

Bärbel Stephenson
 

I can assure you that many involved in yahoo groups for many years do not believe the news yet and are confident that yahoo will not do what they said they will...
And I actually got told off in a group yesterday for spreading untruths...
 
Barbara 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
From: J_Catlady
Date: 10/17/2019 16:48:03
Subject: Re: [beta] GIO in the long term
 
On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Victoria wrote:
I really do worry about Mark´s health.
He seriously needs to charge extra for the spate of rushed transfers; I wasn't kidding about that. He could use the money to hire some drones to do the transfers. (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)
 
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J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

 


moderated Re: OFFTOPIC: Yahoo! Group Shutdown takes out UK's Oftel phone system

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Oct 17, 2019 at 05:25 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I thought it was that Ofcom was a telco.
Ah; I see! Ofcom is the Telecom Regulator*. Oftel was its predecessor, and related only to telephone communications.

Chris

*This includes broadcast television.


moderated Re: OFFTOPIC: Yahoo! Group Shutdown takes out UK's Oftel phone system

Glenn Glazer
 

On 10/17/2019 09:16, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:
Sorry, but IMHO your subject ("Headline!") is rather wide of the mark, and the supposed link to Ofcom in the Twitter feed is to a telco, not Ofcom.

Chris

I don't live in the UK, sorry about that. From my reading, I thought it was that Ofcom was a telco.

Whatever it is, I think there's likely to be more of this, of people relying on Yahoo! when they should not have been for things that require more reliability than Yahoo! has ever offered.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: OFFTOPIC: Yahoo! Group Shutdown takes out UK's Oftel phone system

Chris Jones
 

Sorry, but IMHO your subject ("Headline!") is rather wide of the mark, and the supposed link to Ofcom in the Twitter feed is to a telco, not Ofcom.

Chris


moderated Re: GIO in the long term

 

In fact, they were the first group I thought of when I heard the news yesterday. But I have no way to reach them any more because I no longer even go near yahoo.
The vet in my group was (and possibly is still) in their group. Maybe I’ll reach out to him.


On Oct 17, 2019, at 9:01 AM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I tried to get CanineCushings to transfer a couple of years ago. The owner, then a vet student (possibly now a vet) and someone I respect, absolutely shut her ears to my suggestion/plea.


On Oct 17, 2019, at 8:58 AM, Victoria via Groups.Io <dr.vcaesar@...> wrote:

J wrote: (And the people doing the late transfers should be charged a penalty anyway. :)

Well, there are some who were comfortable until that Yahoo message showed up on the front pages which is only a short time ago if I recall correctly. These owners are really caught unarmed.

 

I am a (just reading) member in two of these groups, one of them has 5490 (canine cushings) and the other 4343 (feline hyper-T) members. They are doing a real good job as well. What a mess!

 

Victoria


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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