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Re: Should notifications be optional?
I like having the optional checkboxes, especially for calendar events. Our group tends to put placeholder events on the calendar without much info and then later updates the events and send them out to the group at that time.
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
Glenn Glazer
I am generally in favor of making as many things as possible optional and up to groups to decide for themselves. Best, Glenn
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019, 10:21 Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote: In the new system, should these checkboxes exist? That is, should the person adding the file/creating the event/starting the chat/etc continue to have the option to not notify the group? And if they should continue to have that option, should it be extended to all new notifications?Absolutely. Yes. Yes, and Yes. I don't believe that Facebook lets you opt-out of sending notifications; at least I don't recall seeing such an option when posting photos/etc.All notifications should be controllable, both to send and receive. As to group notifications triggered by a member's action, these should also be able to be moderated; and which Moderators can moderate which notifications should be separate Moderator Permissions.
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
Donald Hellen
Duane . . .
On Tue, 01 Oct 2019 11:21:26 -0700, "Duane" <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote: I believe they should exist (for all items) if turning them off isn't going to be a group setting, with a default of off. I'd also like to see it set so that someone can't send multiple notifications (of the same type?) within a short time if they can't be turned off.I like this idea, not sending multiple notifications within a short period of time. We won't all agree on the time frame, but if the check box only appears after that time x minutes frame is over, we can simply uncheck it again and we'll be good for another x minutes. This might be useful when building a set of files, etc., in the files section after the group is up and running. Chances are by the time the members see the first notice, the files will already all be uploaded in many cases. And, we would have the option of unchecking the notification box, uploading the files, then making a personal announcement about them only after we're finished. Another alternative to this might be something in our personal settings for the group. We could toggle it off to do multiple uploads then toggle it back on either for the last one we do or leave it off and just manually notify the members of uploads. Donald ---------------------------------------------------- Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion group on Groups.io: https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly) **also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health: https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 01:52 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
I realize that one might need options for receiving notifications as well as for initiating themI just assumed that was going to be the case, and I think Mark said so explicitly at one point. I'd have to find the thread. Options to receive or not was part of the whole point.... -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Email list
Trying to get an integration going from one of the YAHOO groups just for the email list aspect. I dded the integration
email addres to the group member list, so the emails coming in to the groups.io system come in ok from the other group, but for purposes of allowing the people on the groups.io system to reply and have it post, whats the best way? I am a moderator of the YAHOO group so its easy to add in new emails to the system. I also can maybe use my email address I am subscribed with as a way to make a filter or a forward, but not sure about the best way to do it.
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 05:50 PM, Gerald Boutin wrote:
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Duane wrote:Now that I think about this, I realize that one might need options for receiving notifications as well as for initiating them. -- Gerald
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Duane wrote:
(A recent reason for this is the Upload Directory where a notification is sent for each file uploaded. In a test, that resulted in over 100 notifications!) Yes, and it also filled up almost 10 pages of notification messages online. Bad enough having to delete them from email accounts and online I would have to delete them one by one. -- Gerald
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 12:21 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I believe they should exist (for all items) if turning them off isn't going to be a group setting, with a default of off. I'd also like to see it set so that someone can't send multiple notifications (of the same type?) within a short time if they can't be turned off. (A recent reason for this is the Upload Directory where a notification is sent for each file uploaded. In a test, that resulted in over 100 notifications!) Thanks, Duane
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
I think that you should have the check boxes.
Have a blessed day! Steph
From: Mark Fletcher
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2019 12:21 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Should notifications be optional?
Hi All,
As I continue to work through notifications, questions arise.
Right now, some existing notifications are optional. When adding a file, for example, you have a checkbox to notify the group. Same with creating a calendar event, a new chat, etc.
In the new system, should these checkboxes exist? That is, should the person adding the file/creating the event/starting the chat/etc continue to have the option to not notify the group? And if they should continue to have that option, should it be extended to all new notifications?
I don't believe that Facebook lets you opt-out of sending notifications; at least I don't recall seeing such an option when posting photos/etc.
Thanks, Mark
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Re: Should notifications be optional?
Mark, I think they absolutely have to be optional for moderators. Whether they're optional for non-mods could possibly be a group setting.
On Tue, Oct 1, 2019 at 10:21 AM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
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Should notifications be optional?
Hi All, As I continue to work through notifications, questions arise. Right now, some existing notifications are optional. When adding a file, for example, you have a checkbox to notify the group. Same with creating a calendar event, a new chat, etc. In the new system, should these checkboxes exist? That is, should the person adding the file/creating the event/starting the chat/etc continue to have the option to not notify the group? And if they should continue to have that option, should it be extended to all new notifications? I don't believe that Facebook lets you opt-out of sending notifications; at least I don't recall seeing such an option when posting photos/etc. Thanks, Mark
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Feature idea - manage Files and Wiki via git
You can manage the wiki on GitHub as a normal git repo, and it would be interesting to have for the files section managed through git as well. This would open all sort of very easy and interesting integrations :-). Thank you, John Mertic Director of Program Management - Linux Foundation ASWF, ODPi, and Open Mainframe Project Thank you, John Mertic Director of Program Management - Linux Foundation ASWF, ODPi, and Open Mainframe Project
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Site updates
#changelog
Changes to the site this week (resend with proper formatting):
Have a good weekend everyone. Mark
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Re: #wishlist Ability to Hide Topics/Posts
#suggestion
Bruce,
So who gets to see the hidden material? ... but do we include theMy initial concept was "no", matching Bryce's use case. On the other hand I generally support the notion that a member should have the right to remove their own material. I'm willing to consider modifying my stance to say that a message, while hidden, is effectively removed (to other group members it would seem as if someone deleted the topic or message), and group owners always have the right to remove content from their group. So it may be acceptable for an owner to "lock down" a message in this manner. But it seems to me that he at least needs to receive some kind ofMods/owners can already delete member's content, and no notice is sent. So I don't think hiding would produce a larger support problem. Most likely the group owners themselves would be the first one's asked. I'm not sure if there are other use cases than Bryce's, but I'd almost expect hiding to be a less often used feature than deleting. Now the question of unhiding a message might be a case requiring notice to the original poster, in case he/she wants to delete the message after all. That could be handled like an owner/mod editing a message (when they choose not to resend to the group). In the case of hiding an entire topic, I still (or especially) say "no" to showing the hidden message(s) to their respective posters. That way I think just leads to confusion. Likewise, in this case I wouldn't send any notices when the topic is unhidden. From the members' point of view hiding is the same as deletion - until it gets unhidden anyway. Shal
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Re: #wishlist Ability to Hide Topics/Posts
#suggestion
Bryce Weathersby
I accept all of the suggestions. In retrospect, I feel it could be a single message, or ultimately the entire topic. In my situation, most of the messages within the topic would need to go on lockdown as well since people replied to the original email, leaving the problematic message in their responses as well. I also would not want anyone other than the owners or moderators to be able to modify or delete the messages. And to be perfectly honest, since legal actions could ensue, maybe even have a capability of locking it down so NO CHANGES could be made, except by the Owner. I am just hashing out ideas. I do feel this could be a very valuable and powerful modification. Bryce
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 7:43 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote: Bruce, --
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Re: #wishlist Ability to Hide Topics/Posts
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Bruce,
Question: How does one find a hidden topic (or message) in order toIn my concept they remain visible to mods and owners. How are they flagged so those with the proper privileges to see itLike a locked or moderated topic, I proposed an eye-slash icon (badge) to the left of the subject text. https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/22337 Like those other two, this would be an independent attribute that can be applied alone or in conjunction with the others. Oh, interesting. The other two only stack up in search results. E.g.: https://beta.groups.io/g/main/search?ev=false&q=%22Thread+view%22&ct=1 In other views locked seems to take precedence over moderated. I would want hidden to stack next to the other icon(s) if any, it shouldn't take precedence over either, nor should either take precedence over hidden. If a "Hide Message" function were (also) implemented there's a small question of where to put the icon when looking at a topic containing that message (as the Subject text is only shown at the top of the topic page). I think it should still be at the top, so somewhere among the Posting member identification on the left and the date & message number on the right. Shal
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Re: #wishlist Ability to Hide Topics/Posts
#suggestion
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 08:01 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Question: How does one find a hidden topic (or message) in order to unhide it later?That was brain fart on my part...Shal already suggested the eyeball-slash character as a label. I still like the idea, but I guess I'm confusing myself with the use cases. This proposal is being pitched as the same as moderating or locking a topic, but it's not: -- We're talking about being able to hide individual messages, which introduces a whole new level of granularity, and -- The hidden material must remain visible to somebody, or we'll never be able to unhide it. So who gets to see the hidden material? We already mentioned Owners and Moderators with the "edit archives" privilege, but do we include the subscriber who posted it, too? Is that person still allowed to delete or edit the message? Or is this yet another thing that needs to be set at the time of hiding? Assuming we don't let the original post-er see it, then he won't be able to delete/edit it. But it seems to me that he at least needs to receive some kind of notification that his post has been hidden. Otherwise we're going to get a lot of inquiries to support/GMF to the effect that people's messages are disappearing. Same goes for topics. Does a notification go to everyone who contributed to that topic? Or are we willing to just let topics mysteriously disappear without explanation? These are some of the things I'm struggling with, and I don't think I've exhausted all the permutations yet. Regards, Bruce
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Re: #wishlist Ability to Hide Topics/Posts
#suggestion
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 10:28 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Instead I think that Hide Topic (and possibly Hide Message) should be a standalone item in the More menu, equal to the existing Moderate Topic and Lock Topic items. I think that is clearer, and makes it easy to Unhide the topic later, just as one may Unmoderate or Unlock it.Okay, upon further reflection I can go along with that. Question: How does one find a hidden topic (or message) in order to unhide it later? How are they flagged so those with the proper privileges to see it know that other cannot (new status badge)? Bruce
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Re: notification on update
On 25 Sep 2019 at 16:56, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 3:28 PM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@gmail.com> wrote:Excellent! Thanks Mark.When we upload a file, there is a checkbox for notifying the list. ThereCheers, Jim Fisher -- http://jimellame.tumblr.com - My thoughts on freedom (needs updating) http://jimella.wordpress.com - political snippets, especially economic policy http://jimella.livejournal.com - misc. snippets, some political, some not Forget Google! I search with https://duckduckgo.com which doesn't spy on you
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