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moderated Messages to +owner being wrongly routed to the whole group

Peter Martinez <Peter.Martinez@...>
 

Over on the Group Manager's Forum, it was suggested that I raise this problem here. Please read through the topic with the same name as this one on that group to see the full story, but in essence the + in the email commands is causing difficulty because some routes in the internet are stripping-out anything after a + in the local part of an email address. This results in a user who sends an email command finding it appears on the group broadcast, (and the command is not executed). The effect can be embarrassing in the +owner command, where a private message becomes public.

This practice by some intermediate hosts in the internet may well be "illegal" according to RFC 2821 but my intuition tells me it won't go away,so I would ask groups.io to consider changing the format of the email command. This can be done step-by-step, adding the new form alongside the existing + form then later deleting the + form when it becomes clear that there are no users still using it. I suggest something like <mygroups.command@groups.io> - the use of a dot in the local part of an email address is a well-established practice.

regards
Peter


moderated Re: Allow Group Users to Donate towards the premium upgrade directly to Groups.io #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 09:04 AM, Eric di Domenico wrote:
In my group, a lot of users are willing to pay for the Premium upgrade. So far, I paid for the year, several others have offered to participate but I don't want to start collecting money from people and having to manage an account for paying up the upgrade.

If users could donate directly towards the upgrade to Groups.io we would probably have several years of upgrade paid up already.
Eric,

I think that feature may already exist. Take a look at this topic to see if it meets your needs:

https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/21108
 
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Gerald


moderated Allow Group Users to Donate towards the premium upgrade directly to Groups.io #suggestion

Eric di Domenico
 

In my group, a lot of users are willing to pay for the Premium upgrade. So far, I paid for the year, several others have offered to participate but I don't want to start collecting money from people and having to manage an account for paying up the upgrade.

If users could donate directly towards the upgrade to Groups.io we would probably have several years of upgrade paid up already.


moderated Re: Open Source?

Marv Waschke
 

Highly recommend open sourcing. The company I worked for open-sourced several products that I worked on. We saw no dips in revenue and it made the products more salable. These were enterprise service management products and utilities that no one in their right mind would consider compiling themselves and using without support. We invited customers to review the code before purchasing licenses. I suspect few actually did so, but the fact that they were able to bolstered their confidence in the products.
We got a few contributed bug fixes out of it, but not as many as I expected. Making use of contributed bug fixes was much harder than I anticipated.After reviewing and testing the fixes, most had to be rewritten to meet our coding standards and ended up costing about as much as we would have spent fixing them ourselves.
In retrospect, I would have liked to have invested in a management process for contributions and made it a routine part of our dev methodology. Unfortunately, our executive management was enlightened, but not that enlightened, and using contributions ended up being an ad hoc time suck. I.e. I spent a lot of weekends reviewing contributed code, rewriting and checking it into the build, and writing test cases for QA.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Open Source?

 

Replying to my own email... I could see at some point re-implementing the web interface on top of the public API. Once that's done, that'd be an easy thing to open source. Also, depending on what business model I decide on for the app (ie something like whether I charge enterprise groups extra for a custom version of the app), there is a scenario where I'd open source that as well.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Open Source?

 

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:45 AM Eric di Domenico <eric@...> wrote:
A lot of the API is read only. If it was OSS I could submit a PR with a proposal.

for example, my group users are asking about managed tagging for photos. I looked at the API thinking I might be able to update titles with hashtags or something but it’s readonly.

Funny you should mention photos. I just added all the photos api endpoints. You can now modify photos and albums. Please post on the API group if you have any questions or issues using those endpoints.

As for open source, I'm a big believer in it. I don't see the groups.io code being open sourced any time soon however. It's in no condition. It's a distributed system, so requires a lot of work to get up and running in a development environment. There are no docker containers or anything like that.

My goal is to have a feature complete and easy to use API that anyone can build on top of. And of course to always have the ability to export your data whenever you want, easily.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Open Source?

Eric di Domenico
 

A lot of the API is read only. If it was OSS I could submit a PR with a proposal.

for example, my group users are asking about managed tagging for photos. I looked at the API thinking I might be able to update titles with hashtags or something but it’s readonly.


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

Mark,

The way things are now is that the Title is used to generate the URL.
How would you propose to change it?
My recommendation: Pemalinks (like message numbers). Assigned when the page is created, and never reused.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28775194

How would you propose to change it? Separating the title and URL when
editing a page? That might be a bit confusing.
Or that, but I'd separate them at page creation.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/topic/28775194#19359

Shal


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

It matters if you change the name
When it makes the two things not the same. 
To the first URL
If you say "fare thee well,"
Then that is the end of the game.

(Best I could do on short notice!:)

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

 

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 10:54 AM Eric di Domenico <eric@...> wrote:
Changing the name of a page in the wiki should not break the link

The way things are now is that the Title is used to generate the URL. How would you propose to change it? Separating the title and URL when editing a page? That might be a bit confusing.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Auto-sigs getting wiped out into "quoted text" again

 

Ok, I can send you at least one example (from this morning) and will look for others.
But I still don't understand the problem in general. Isn't the auto-sig treated as a separate entity within groups.io that's added to the message content by the system? 
BTW, in the message I'm going to send, the person's email auto-sig ("Get Outlook for Android") was included and not their (information-rich) groups.io sig with all their cat's info. Very discouraging!
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Auto-sigs getting wiped out into "quoted text" again

 

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:52 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I don't completely remember the history of this (except that it's been somewhat tortured), but auto-sigs are again getting swept into the "quoted text" when messages are sent by email. Is there any way to make this not happen? About half my group members post via email and all of their signatures are getting lost.

Please send me some examples. My guess is this is due to a change I had to make because in some cases, we were showing signatures that did not belong to the person, because we are unable to determine if a sig is a part of a reply or a part of the original message. And in that case, it's better to not show the sig.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Auto-sigs getting wiped out into "quoted text" again

 

I don't completely remember the history of this (except that it's been somewhat tortured), but auto-sigs are again getting swept into the "quoted text" when messages are sent by email. Is there any way to make this not happen? About half my group members post via email and all of their signatures are getting lost.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Open Source?

 

Eric,

I would love to be able to help fix some of the issues I am
experiencing.
Would using the API help with any of them?
https://beta.groups.io/g/api

Shal


moderated Open Source?

Eric di Domenico
 

I would love to be able to help fix some of the issues I am experiencing. 


moderated Changing Wiki page name breaks links #suggestion #done

Eric di Domenico
 

Changing the name of a page in the wiki should not break the link


moderated Re: #hashtags

 

Steve,

Since hashtags cant really do much when they are in an email subject
line,
That's the only place they do anything, in Groups.io.

After all, they are not relevent at an email level... at least with my
group they are not.
Oh, but they might be, to any of your group members. See the following:

Another option could be to let the user subscribe to only certain
subject tags and not others.
That part exists. See the description of *Following Only* in the help:
https://groups.io/static/help#suboptions

Or look on your Subscription page, in the Advanced Preferences section.

Shal


moderated Re: #hashtags

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Since hashtags cant really do much when they are in an email subject line,
and they seem to sometimes add in the same tag multiple times to subject lines
with multiple email replies -
perhaps the option to remove them from any email subject could be an option
at the owner level, or maybe let it be an option in the users subscription settings.

After all, they are not relevent at an email level... at least with my group they
are not. But for purposes of navigation on the web interface to see what kind
of subjects are popular, they are of good value as long as the owner or mods
are vigilant and group them together accordingly on a regular basis... which is a great help
when a potential new user wishes to join, and can review what the most popular tags are.

Another option could be to let the user subscribe to only certain subject tags and not others.

==
Steve


moderated Re: Notifications settings page first pass

 

Mark,

Copy/paste-o: text for Deleted Photos is
"How to be notified of new photos."

* You (will be able to) customize notifications on a per-group basis.
Is that to include the Frequency setting? I ask because it is in a separate section from the selector. I'd want it to.

Please let me know your thoughts.
Is there planned to be a listing where you can get a global view of your settings, without having to switch the selector to view each group individually?

I could see this as a "Your Groups"-like list of groups but with columns for the settings. Perhaps that would need some column-wise expanders matching the the groupings on this page.

Shal


moderated Re: Notifications settings page first pass

 

On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 06:51 AM, Steph Mathews wrote:
I would reword it to set all notifications
That works too. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

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