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Locking this topic.

Mark


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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 09:29 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
I am clearly not wanted.
Dave, that's not it at all. I hope you're not taking anything in this thread that way. Message me offlist if you'd like. 
 
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Dave Sergeant
 

I find that most offensive, sorry. I shall pull out of this
conversation now, I am clearly not wanted.

On 5 Sep 2019 at 8:58, Glenn Glazer wrote:

And my objection is that this is not for you to define.

Best,

Glenn

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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 08:59 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
And my objection is that this is not for you to define.
One of the problems with a non-moderator trying to moderate is that it nearly always leads to go-nowhere threads like this one. The complaint about the problem leads to more of the problem, and a whole stack of meta-meta-meta complaints. Here we go! I think this calls for a limerick. 
 
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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 08:59 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
And my objection is that this is not for you to define.
Exactly right. 
 
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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 08:55 AM, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Posts containing limericks or other such irrelevancies have no place
whatsoever in such a group.
Hold on just a dang minute! Mark said that posts using limericks and/or haikus are encouraged.:)
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/22149

But I agree that they should be on topic.
 
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Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 08:55, Dave Sergeant wrote:
Posts containing limericks or other such irrelevancies have no place 
whatsoever in such a group.

And my objection is that this is not for you to define.

Best,

Glenn

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Dave Sergeant
 

OK, you meant to say 'moderator'. I assume Mark is the moderator of
this group.

My objection was that this is a group to discuss the specifics of
groups.io and in Mark's words how it can be improved. Many of us who
are moderators of various groups subscribe to it for this purpose and
keep up to date with various aspects of the technicalities of
groups.io.

Posts containing limericks or other such irrelevancies have no place
whatsoever in such a group.

I support Mark strongly in his efforts to progress groups.io. Some of
the comments in replies directed towards myself (and you know virtually
nothing about me) are totally inappropriate.

Can we please get back to talking about groups.io and its issues?

Dave

On 5 Sep 2019 at 7:53, Glenn Glazer wrote:

I simply object, as member of the group, to some other member of the
group who is /not/ a member of the group attempting to police the
conversation of the group and especially the overt "take my balls and go
home" threat of leaving if they don't get their way.

http://davesergeant.com


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Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 08:25, Victoria via Groups.Io wrote:

I really didn´t know this feature, same as the “following only” function existed in groups.io until you wrote about it, and I´m extremely thankful for your post. I so often have members who complain about the many posts and who would like to have the same “select thread” feature as they are used to in forums. Now I know what I can tell them…

 

Victoria


You're welcome, Victoria.  Happy to help.

Best,

Glenn

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Glenn,

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One of the great things about groups.io is that it has many advanced features above and beyond a mailing list.

….if a thread bothers you, you could mute it:

https://groups.io/static/help#muting

And even without that, if you read by email, it is pretty easy in almost all mail interfaces to filter out a topic.

Best,

Glenn
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I really didn´t know this feature, same as the “following only” function existed in groups.io until you wrote about it, and I´m extremely thankful for your post. I so often have members who complain about the many posts and who would like to have the same “select thread” feature as they are used to in forums. Now I know what I can tell them…

 

Victoria


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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 08:13 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I meant to write "not a moderator"
I figured that out, although it did take me a few seconds. :)
 
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Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 08:06, J_Catlady wrote:
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I simply object, as member of the group, to some other member of the group who is not a member of the group attempting to police the conversation of the group and especially the overt "take my balls and go home" threat of leaving if they don't get their way.
Glenn, I totally agree with that. And it was my initial reaction as well. But I see the complaint as more naive than petulant or malicious. 
 
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J

Perhaps. Also, in the above, I meant to write "not a moderator" and somehow wrote "not a member".

Best,

Glenn

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On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 07:54 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
I simply object, as member of the group, to some other member of the group who is not a member of the group attempting to police the conversation of the group and especially the overt "take my balls and go home" threat of leaving if they don't get their way.
Glenn, I totally agree with that. And it was my initial reaction as well. But I see the complaint as more naive than petulant or malicious. 
 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 07:36, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. Any topics/hashtags you've muted (or failed to follow) will still be visible to you in the group's online message archive."

My impression was that the complaint was the number of messages they were getting, not that the messages existed in the archive.

Best,

Glenn

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Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 07:45, J_Catlady wrote:
Not to jump into this black hole of a conversation, but let me point out on Dave's behalf that muting doesn't do any good if the person wants to read posts that are staying on-topic to the thread and just doesn't want to receive emails containing irrelevant limericks and the like. :-)
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J

I simply object, as member of the group, to some other member of the group who is not a member of the group attempting to police the conversation of the group and especially the overt "take my balls and go home" threat of leaving if they don't get their way.

Also, as I mentioned in my original note, filtering solves the email problem. I almost never read group messages via the website and if there was something I didn't see more of, I'd filter. I read my gmail using Thunderbird and could easily set up a filter that translates to "subject contains Consistency and body contains limerick" or some such.

Best,

Glenn

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Not to jump into this black hole of a conversation, but let me point out on Dave's behalf that muting doesn't do any good if the person wants to read posts that are staying on-topic to the thread and just doesn't want to receive emails containing irrelevant limericks and the like. :-)
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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Gerald,


Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. 

Dave mentioned deleting posts, so we know he's talking about email delivery (cf my nightmare).

Shal


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Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:15 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
One of the great things about groups.io is that it has many advanced features above and beyond a mailing list.

So, instead of being petulant, if a thread bothers you, you could mute it:

https://groups.io/static/help#muting
I think we will need the "advanced" system for that...

Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. Any topics/hashtags you've muted (or failed to follow) will still be visible to you in the group's online message archive."

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Gerald


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Glenn Glazer
 

One of the great things about groups.io is that it has many advanced features above and beyond a mailing list.

So, instead of being petulant, if a thread bothers you, you could mute it:

https://groups.io/static/help#muting

And even without that, if you read by email, it is pretty easy in almost all mail interfaces to filter out a topic.

Best,

Glenn

On 9/5/2019 01:15, Dave Sergeant wrote:
I am deleting more and more posts on this list as being of no interest 
to me. Recent posts like this surely have nothing to do with 'improving 
groups.io' and I suggest we put a halt to them otherwise I will have to 
unsubscribe.

Dave

On 5 Sep 2019 at 9:04, Noel Leaver via Groups.Io wrote:

I remember a long time ago reading this 'Ode to Virtual Memory':


http://davesergeant.com


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Jeremy H
 

My thought - perhaps a variant on the 'groups.io mailbox' concept - would be to build on the 'All Topics' view (https://groups.io/topics) but for messages ('Your messages'):
  • Comprised of messages (starting position would for all a subscriber's groups, and based on what's in the groups.io database)
  • But only for those groups they want included - based on flag set in group delivery options ('Include this group in Your Messages View?') - dynamically?
  • Sensitive to a read (i.e. displayed)/unread flag as to what displayed (all or unread only?). Also with perhaps a 'discard' option ('read and I don't want to see again')?
  • And sensitive to mute options (based on topic/hashtag) 
My two pennyworth..

Jeremy.