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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 07:36, Gerald Boutin wrote:
Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. Any topics/hashtags you've muted (or failed to follow) will still be visible to you in the group's online message archive."

My impression was that the complaint was the number of messages they were getting, not that the messages existed in the archive.

Best,

Glenn

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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/5/2019 07:45, J_Catlady wrote:
Not to jump into this black hole of a conversation, but let me point out on Dave's behalf that muting doesn't do any good if the person wants to read posts that are staying on-topic to the thread and just doesn't want to receive emails containing irrelevant limericks and the like. :-)
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J

I simply object, as member of the group, to some other member of the group who is not a member of the group attempting to police the conversation of the group and especially the overt "take my balls and go home" threat of leaving if they don't get their way.

Also, as I mentioned in my original note, filtering solves the email problem. I almost never read group messages via the website and if there was something I didn't see more of, I'd filter. I read my gmail using Thunderbird and could easily set up a filter that translates to "subject contains Consistency and body contains limerick" or some such.

Best,

Glenn

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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Not to jump into this black hole of a conversation, but let me point out on Dave's behalf that muting doesn't do any good if the person wants to read posts that are staying on-topic to the thread and just doesn't want to receive emails containing irrelevant limericks and the like. :-)
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J

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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Gerald,


Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. 

Dave mentioned deleting posts, so we know he's talking about email delivery (cf my nightmare).

Shal


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 11:15 AM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
One of the great things about groups.io is that it has many advanced features above and beyond a mailing list.

So, instead of being petulant, if a thread bothers you, you could mute it:

https://groups.io/static/help#muting
I think we will need the "advanced" system for that...

Per the documentation: "Please note that muting and following settings affect email delivery only. Any topics/hashtags you've muted (or failed to follow) will still be visible to you in the group's online message archive."

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Gerald


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

One of the great things about groups.io is that it has many advanced features above and beyond a mailing list.

So, instead of being petulant, if a thread bothers you, you could mute it:

https://groups.io/static/help#muting

And even without that, if you read by email, it is pretty easy in almost all mail interfaces to filter out a topic.

Best,

Glenn

On 9/5/2019 01:15, Dave Sergeant wrote:
I am deleting more and more posts on this list as being of no interest 
to me. Recent posts like this surely have nothing to do with 'improving 
groups.io' and I suggest we put a halt to them otherwise I will have to 
unsubscribe.

Dave

On 5 Sep 2019 at 9:04, Noel Leaver via Groups.Io wrote:

I remember a long time ago reading this 'Ode to Virtual Memory':


http://davesergeant.com


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moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Jeremy H
 

My thought - perhaps a variant on the 'groups.io mailbox' concept - would be to build on the 'All Topics' view (https://groups.io/topics) but for messages ('Your messages'):
  • Comprised of messages (starting position would for all a subscriber's groups, and based on what's in the groups.io database)
  • But only for those groups they want included - based on flag set in group delivery options ('Include this group in Your Messages View?') - dynamically?
  • Sensitive to a read (i.e. displayed)/unread flag as to what displayed (all or unread only?). Also with perhaps a 'discard' option ('read and I don't want to see again')?
  • And sensitive to mute options (based on topic/hashtag) 
My two pennyworth..

Jeremy.


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Dave Sergeant
 

I am deleting more and more posts on this list as being of no interest
to me. Recent posts like this surely have nothing to do with 'improving
groups.io' and I suggest we put a halt to them otherwise I will have to
unsubscribe.

Dave

On 5 Sep 2019 at 9:04, Noel Leaver via Groups.Io wrote:

I remember a long time ago reading this 'Ode to Virtual Memory':

http://davesergeant.com


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Noel Leaver
 

I remember a long time ago reading this 'Ode to Virtual Memory':

The other day I had a scare
I wrote a byte that wasn't there
It wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish that it would stay!

Noel


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Bob Bellizzi
 

My boss at Seagate  and in eons past at IBM collected limericks.
But the only part I can impart to this forum is 
There once was a lady from 
and there were hundreds that went downhill from there.

--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Move message to subgroup #suggestion

Frances
 

I wonder whether this could be looked at sometime soon - It would be useful to be able to move a message from the main group to a subgroup.

Perhaps it could be moved at the moderation phase, if it was too difficult to implement moving after being posted. It could even be a premium feature. 

Or are there any workarounds?

Frances


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 12:30 AM, Eric di Domenico wrote:
I would like a visual indicator of which messages are new since the last time I visited the group website.
This thread seems to have moved away from the original query into "email presentation", so can I ask in what way does the existing Your Groups / Manage My Subscriptions page, or the Feed page not meet your requirements?

Chris


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

Bruce,

Mark -- Is the app going to be only a customized mail client that only bypasses the problems of SMTP email delivery and read-tracking? Is it going to REPLACE normal email delivery?

I think it is more like a replacement for the mobile web experience; one that can push notifications to your device's notification system.

I don't see how we can track anything if people are allowed to switch back and forth.

Same as today: what happens to messages delivered to your email service is completely unknown to Groups.io.

By presenting three different (and largely incompatible) user interfaces I am concerned we could end up with a spaghetti-bowl of use cases that will be very difficult to untangle.

Yup.

[in GMF, or from support] "When you say that you posted that message on your mobile device, did you mean through your email app, your browser app, or the Groups.io app?" Hopefully though the latter two won't be "largely incompatible" apart from features (like notifications) which the web browser experience doesn't support.
Shal


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- Is the app going to be only a customized mail client that only bypasses the problems of SMTP email delivery and read-tracking? Is it going to REPLACE normal email delivery? I don't see how we can track anything if people are allowed to switch back and forth.

Is it going to provide all of the other web functionality, too?

At this time I am totally unclear on what the app is supposed to do...and not do. By presenting three different (and largely incompatible) user interfaces I am concerned we could end up with a spaghetti-bowl of use cases that will be very difficult to untangle.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

Mark,


Comprehensive Way:

We basically re-invent the inbox.

Two further thoughts from sleeping on it. Nightmares perhaps. Folder management and the meaning of Delete.

The original Gmail view of the Inbox was an an ever-growing stash of messages w/o folders or delete. They believe(d) that search is a better way to find things than keeping a tidy inbox and folder tree. Eventually they relented to user expectations and label/folder duality ensued. So I'm fairly convinced that giving users a personal inbox will bring on the expectation of having folders to stash things in. I'm not sure if that expectation can or even should be resisted.

The other part of keeping a tidy Inbox is Delete (Gmail eventually relented on this too). This one I think is far more likely to cause trouble. Not that it is a lot of work to implement, but that it has a far different impact in one's Inbox than it does in a group's Messages archive. It was rare, but there were occasional instances (in Yahoo Groups) where a newly appointed moderator would "catch up" on the group's messages, deleting them as they read them. Oops. It was a conceptual matter of mistaking the group's Messages for a personal Inbox. Having personal Inboxes within the Groups.io interface breaks the very strong distinction between personal content and group content in a way that might lead to mistakes of that sort. Everywhere the help or user manual (or GMF) talks about deleting a message there would have to be clarification about where you are deleting it from. Whereas now there's an inherent clarity to the concept that everything on site is group content.

That last is enough for me to think it may be better to take the Easy Way out.

Shal


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Noel Leaver
 

> Thoughts? Is there another path I haven't thought of?

Since the comprehensive solution involves providing much of an email system, is there a way of front-ending it with a dedicated and private email system you host?

Noel



moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

Mark,


Thoughts?

Among the questions I see with the Comprehensive Way is how to count when a message is read, particularly in the case of Expanded view. But even for Topics, do you count all the replies as read when one opens the topic? Maybe it would be possible within those views to track whether each message body was ever displayed, but that seems real finicky, at least on the web interface.


We basically re-invent the inbox. Give everyone a groups.io email inbox, but only for group email

Hmm. I was going to suggest that it replace https://groups.io/topics but it can't without providing another way to find and unmute muted topics. Maybe that's solved by adding Muted to the Tools/Filter drop-down in the group's Messages/Topics lists. Or maybe one simply has both /topics and /inbox (but that's probably confusing too).


One way of doing that would be to add a second set of message delivery options, to control what's delivered to your groups.io inbox.

That's probably not so bad if you simply create a new section, almost duplicating the Email Delivery section. Call it Web Delivery perhaps. In it you could (I think) leave out the Plain Digest choice. I was thinking that the Advanced Preferences (except for Max Attachment Size) would apply to both Email and Web Inbox, but maybe that would be too limiting for some.

You realize of course that once you do this people will want to be able to log in using their Groups.io Inbox rather than an external email address. A use for the long-fallowed User Name perhaps, promoting it to the Account section of the Login tab? But that's a whole other topic I suppose.

Shal


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Hahahahaha!


On Sep 3, 2019, at 9:33 PM, Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

On 9/3/2019 21:27, J_Catlady wrote:
Yeah, that fixes it. Here's the limerick:

My haiku you're bent on critiquing,
But your own poem's the one that needs tweaking.
Your syllable counts
Lack the proper amounts.
So be careful on that which you're speaking.
--
J

There once was a man from St. Bees
Who was stung in the arm by a wasp
When asked, "Does it hurt."
He replied, "No it doesn't."
"I'm so glad it wasn't a hornet."

------

There once was a man from Berdoo
Who's limericks would end at line two.

There once was a man from Verdun.

And then there is the limerick about Nero.

Best,

Glenn

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We must work to make the Democratic Party the Marketplace of Ideas not the Marketplace of Favors.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 21:27, J_Catlady wrote:
Yeah, that fixes it. Here's the limerick:

My haiku you're bent on critiquing,
But your own poem's the one that needs tweaking.
Your syllable counts
Lack the proper amounts.
So be careful on that which you're speaking.
--
J

There once was a man from St. Bees
Who was stung in the arm by a wasp
When asked, "Does it hurt."
He replied, "No it doesn't."
"I'm so glad it wasn't a hornet."

------

There once was a man from Berdoo
Who's limericks would end at line two.

There once was a man from Verdun.

And then there is the limerick about Nero.

Best,

Glenn

--
We must work to make the Democratic Party the Marketplace of Ideas not the Marketplace of Favors.

Virus-free. www.avast.com


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Yeah, that fixes it. Here's the limerick:

My haiku you're bent on critiquing,
But your own poem's the one that needs tweaking.
Your syllable counts
Lack the proper amounts.
So be careful on that which you're speaking.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu