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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Glenn,


That's correct, Shal. The other legit answer is to count neither end. It sometimes depends on the nature of the fence.

Yup. I just couldn't figure out a way to express the ambiguity in the haiku. Speaking of which...

J's private lim'rick
says my count is wrong. Oh... oops:
Lines out of order.

A fencepost error:
One end and not the other -
miscount the number.

Shal


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 7:33 PM D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:

Would either message be affected by reading messages from two or three different machines? I primarily use a desktop box, but occasionally use a laptop or an Android. Just thought I'd ask.

No, we'd remember regardless of how/when you accessed things. This is better than trying to rely on the browser to change the color of links of messages you've visited, as that doesn't apply across machines.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 18:22, J_Catlady wrote:
Wow, you guys won't give me any poetic license! That's what I meant. :) Here's a simple correction for the literal-minded:

Programming is not given to poetic license.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

This is a very apropos question given the point of
development of the app. I need to flesh this out this
week, and I could definitely use y'all's feedback.
Mark -
Would either message be affected by reading messages from two or three different machines? I primarily use a desktop box, but occasionally use a laptop or an Android. Just thought I'd ask.

Dano


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Wow, you guys won't give me any poetic license! That's what I meant. :) Here's a simple correction for the literal-minded:

A fencepost error:
Mistaking 10 boundaries
For 9 parts within.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 4:30 PM Eric di Domenico <eric@...> wrote:
I would like a visual indicator of which messages are new since the last time I visited the group website.

This is a very apropos question given the point of development of the app. I need to flesh this out this week, and I could definitely use y'all's feedback. So, here we go.

- A visual indicator would require us to remember and track what messages you've read. 
- A desired feature of the app would be to be notified when there are new messages, which also requires us knowing which messages you've read.
- Also, some email providers (cough... charter.net... cough... cox.net... cough... comcast.net) like to delay or block messages from us at random times. For unknown reasons.
- Also, HTML digests are often not handled consistently or nicely.

I see two ways of addressing some/all of the above. The easy way and the comprehensive way.

Easy Way:

We track a high water message number per subscription. That's the most recent message you've seen in each group. Going to the message archives instantly sets this high water number to the most recent message. This lets us send out notifications when new messages come in and display topics in bold when there are new messages. You would see these bolded topics/messages when viewing the archives on a group-by-group basis (ie https://groups.io/g/beta/topics). It does not let you mark some messages as unread. It does not let you read some topics and keep others as unread. It does nothing about inconsistent displaying of digests. It's easy to implement and fairly straightforward for users to understand (I think).

Comprehensive Way:

We basically re-invent the inbox. Give everyone a groups.io email inbox, but only for group email. One way of doing that would be to add a second set of message delivery options, to control what's delivered to your groups.io inbox. As an example, you could set your existing email delivery setting to no mail, and your new groups.io inbox delivery setting to 'single' or 'digest'. Then only read your messages in your new groups.io inbox on the web or in the app. There would be a new part of the website, which would be your inbox. We could display digests really nicely. This is the most flexible, but also the most complicated solution (both technically and to understand by users, I think).

Thoughts? Is there another path I haven't thought of?

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

KWKloeber
 

Mark 

What prefs are under Account? 
I do see “adv email settings

However There are “preferences” (advanced)  under “Subscription”. 
Why not be consistent?

 What (uggggh) Subscription is, is
“Your preferences for THIS group”.  
How to best convey that in one word?  Dunno. 


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 17:01, Shal Farley wrote:
J,


A fencepost error:
Mistaking a boundary
For what lies within.

Nice, but wrong in the context of computer programming (and fence building).

        A fencepost error:
        Miscount the number,
        One end and not the other.
Shal

That's correct, Shal. The other legit answer is to count neither end. It sometimes depends on the nature of the fence.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Duane
 

This has been requested many times before.  It was added to the TODO list almost 5 years ago, https://trello.com/c/m1HaX8DC/18-keep-track-of-read-unread-messages-on-the-website.  At present, the only way to keep track is to let your browser tell you if you've read a message or not by changing the link color.

Duane


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

J,


A fencepost error:
Mistaking a boundary
For what lies within.

Nice, but wrong in the context of computer programming (and fence building).

        A fencepost error:
        Miscount the number,
        One end and not the other.
Shal


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 03:08 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
It's okay as long as he doesn't make a fence post error.
A fencepost error:
Mistaking a boundary
For what lies within.
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Remember last message read #suggestion

Eric di Domenico
 

I would like a visual indicator of which messages are new since the last time I visited the group website.


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 15:04, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 02:20 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm on the fence
Are you on the fence post? ;)

It's okay as long as he doesn't make a fence post error.

Best,

Glenn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error#Fencepost_error

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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 02:20 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm on the fence
Are you on the fence post? ;)
 
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Facebook integrations not working

 

Hello,

Due to a change in Facebook's API and developer approval process, Facebook integrations are currently not working. I'm working to figure out what additional information I need to provide to Facebook. I'll update this topic when I know more.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Hi All,

I've gone through and changed a bunch of references to the word post to message instead. I'm on the fence of changing Subscription to Preferences, because there's a preferences section in your account already. I could be swayed however.

Also, limericks (and also haikus) are expressly permitted and encouraged.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated fix misleading language in confirmation email

 

The confirmation email now reads

"Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group [xyz group]. To complete your subscription, please reply to this email."

This is misleading when the group is restricted. It sounds like replying to the confirmation email "completes" their subscription. I suggest changing this to "To confirm your interest in joining, please reply to this email" or something along those lines.

For years I've been unaware of this language, and I just discovered after running an unrelated test. It might even account for the frequent failures by pending members to return required questionnaires.


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 08:56, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:16 AM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

I'm curious, Mark. Does the API have many programmatic clients outside of the groups.io infrastructure itself?

Are you asking about programming libraries to interface with the API, or about people using the API? In terms of libraries, I list one in the API docs, but I don't know the status of it. The API is just json objects, so it's (supposed to be) straightforward to use.
 
In terms of people/companies, there are a couple that I know about. An analytics firm does some sort of message analysis on behalf of one of our enterprise customers using the API. Another has built/is building a dashboard on top of the API. I think there may be a couple more, but because I don't require any sort of specific registration to use the API, I don't really track it.

Mark

That answers the question sufficiently, thanks. I can totally see designing the API for internal purposes but was curious as to what external applications there might be.

Thanks,

Glenn

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We must work to make the Democratic Party the Marketplace of Ideas not the Marketplace of Favors.

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moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Ken Schweizer
 

I am amazed that the formatting followed and didn't insert the extra <LF> here as it hasn't seemed to do that in our group.

 

Ken

 

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.

Not to speak is to speak.

Not to act is to act.”

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

Thanks Bob,

I have tried that and Word still inserts a paragraph code that appears to be interpreted as a <cr><lf><lf>

How now brown cow

1.      Without the paragraph code outlined go to pot
the is the second line s/b line 2.

2.       s/b 3

a.      S/B a with two indents

 

I don't know if all of the MS formattings make it to Groups.io or if some gets stripped out on the "way", but most times indenting doesn't follow through to groups.io. I formatted the above as an outline, so we will see.

As you implied MS Word is at best a compatibility disaster, but MS doesn't care.

 

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

You don't need Macros to handle this.
A simple way to change the formatting in word is to:

  • Go to the Home Screen which is usually the default.
  • Just above the word "Paragraph" is a vertical double arrow.
    Click that,
  • Use the functions to remove spacing before and after paragraphs (if they are there)
  • Right Click on your Normal font (Just below "View" in the top tool bar).
  • Click "Update Normal to Match Selection".
  • Click File/Save to save that to your default document.

That should set your Normal to default to no extra spacing before and after paragraphs.
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Ken Schweizer
 

Thanks Bob,

I have tried that and Word still inserts a paragraph code that appears to be interpreted as a <cr><lf><lf>

How now brown cow

1.    Without the paragraph code outlined go to pot
the is the second line s/b line 2.

2.     s/b 3

a.    S/B a with two indents

 

I don't know if all of the MS formattings make it to Groups.io or if some gets stripped out on the "way", but most times indenting doesn't follow through to groups.io. I formatted the above as an outline, so we will see.

As you implied MS Word is at best a compatibility disaster, but MS doesn't care.

 

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

You don't need Macros to handle this.
A simple way to change the formatting in word is to:

  • Go to the Home Screen which is usually the default.
  • Just above the word "Paragraph" is a vertical double arrow.
    Click that,
  • Use the functions to remove spacing before and after paragraphs (if they are there)
  • Right Click on your Normal font (Just below "View" in the top tool bar).
  • Click "Update Normal to Match Selection".
  • Click File/Save to save that to your default document.

That should set your Normal to default to no extra spacing before and after paragraphs.
--

Bob Bellizzi

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