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moderated Re: Remember last message read #suggestion

Duane
 

This has been requested many times before.  It was added to the TODO list almost 5 years ago, https://trello.com/c/m1HaX8DC/18-keep-track-of-read-unread-messages-on-the-website.  At present, the only way to keep track is to let your browser tell you if you've read a message or not by changing the link color.

Duane


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

J,


A fencepost error:
Mistaking a boundary
For what lies within.

Nice, but wrong in the context of computer programming (and fence building).

        A fencepost error:
        Miscount the number,
        One end and not the other.
Shal


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 03:08 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
It's okay as long as he doesn't make a fence post error.
A fencepost error:
Mistaking a boundary
For what lies within.
 
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moderated Remember last message read #suggestion

Eric di Domenico
 

I would like a visual indicator of which messages are new since the last time I visited the group website.


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 15:04, J_Catlady wrote:
On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 02:20 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm on the fence
Are you on the fence post? ;)

It's okay as long as he doesn't make a fence post error.

Best,

Glenn
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-by-one_error#Fencepost_error

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locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 02:20 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I'm on the fence
Are you on the fence post? ;)
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Facebook integrations not working

 

Hello,

Due to a change in Facebook's API and developer approval process, Facebook integrations are currently not working. I'm working to figure out what additional information I need to provide to Facebook. I'll update this topic when I know more.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)

 

Hi All,

I've gone through and changed a bunch of references to the word post to message instead. I'm on the fence of changing Subscription to Preferences, because there's a preferences section in your account already. I could be swayed however.

Also, limericks (and also haikus) are expressly permitted and encouraged.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated fix misleading language in confirmation email

 

The confirmation email now reads

"Thank you for your interest in Groups.io and the group [xyz group]. To complete your subscription, please reply to this email."

This is misleading when the group is restricted. It sounds like replying to the confirmation email "completes" their subscription. I suggest changing this to "To confirm your interest in joining, please reply to this email" or something along those lines.

For years I've been unaware of this language, and I just discovered after running an unrelated test. It might even account for the frequent failures by pending members to return required questionnaires.


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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Glenn Glazer
 

On 9/3/2019 08:56, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:16 AM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

I'm curious, Mark. Does the API have many programmatic clients outside of the groups.io infrastructure itself?

Are you asking about programming libraries to interface with the API, or about people using the API? In terms of libraries, I list one in the API docs, but I don't know the status of it. The API is just json objects, so it's (supposed to be) straightforward to use.
 
In terms of people/companies, there are a couple that I know about. An analytics firm does some sort of message analysis on behalf of one of our enterprise customers using the API. Another has built/is building a dashboard on top of the API. I think there may be a couple more, but because I don't require any sort of specific registration to use the API, I don't really track it.

Mark

That answers the question sufficiently, thanks. I can totally see designing the API for internal purposes but was curious as to what external applications there might be.

Thanks,

Glenn

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moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Ken Schweizer
 

I am amazed that the formatting followed and didn't insert the extra <LF> here as it hasn't seemed to do that in our group.

 

Ken

 

“Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless.

Not to speak is to speak.

Not to act is to act.”

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ken Schweizer
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

Thanks Bob,

I have tried that and Word still inserts a paragraph code that appears to be interpreted as a <cr><lf><lf>

How now brown cow

1.      Without the paragraph code outlined go to pot
the is the second line s/b line 2.

2.       s/b 3

a.      S/B a with two indents

 

I don't know if all of the MS formattings make it to Groups.io or if some gets stripped out on the "way", but most times indenting doesn't follow through to groups.io. I formatted the above as an outline, so we will see.

As you implied MS Word is at best a compatibility disaster, but MS doesn't care.

 

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

You don't need Macros to handle this.
A simple way to change the formatting in word is to:

  • Go to the Home Screen which is usually the default.
  • Just above the word "Paragraph" is a vertical double arrow.
    Click that,
  • Use the functions to remove spacing before and after paragraphs (if they are there)
  • Right Click on your Normal font (Just below "View" in the top tool bar).
  • Click "Update Normal to Match Selection".
  • Click File/Save to save that to your default document.

That should set your Normal to default to no extra spacing before and after paragraphs.
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Ken Schweizer
 

Thanks Bob,

I have tried that and Word still inserts a paragraph code that appears to be interpreted as a <cr><lf><lf>

How now brown cow

1.    Without the paragraph code outlined go to pot
the is the second line s/b line 2.

2.     s/b 3

a.    S/B a with two indents

 

I don't know if all of the MS formattings make it to Groups.io or if some gets stripped out on the "way", but most times indenting doesn't follow through to groups.io. I formatted the above as an outline, so we will see.

As you implied MS Word is at best a compatibility disaster, but MS doesn't care.

 

Ken

 

“You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can’t, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don’t give up.” ―Chuck Yeager

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Bellizzi
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2019 11:58 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages #request

 

You don't need Macros to handle this.
A simple way to change the formatting in word is to:

  • Go to the Home Screen which is usually the default.
  • Just above the word "Paragraph" is a vertical double arrow.
    Click that,
  • Use the functions to remove spacing before and after paragraphs (if they are there)
  • Right Click on your Normal font (Just below "View" in the top tool bar).
  • Click "Update Normal to Match Selection".
  • Click File/Save to save that to your default document.

That should set your Normal to default to no extra spacing before and after paragraphs.
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 8:16 AM Glenn Glazer <glenn.glazer@...> wrote:

I'm curious, Mark. Does the API have many programmatic clients outside of the groups.io infrastructure itself?

Are you asking about programming libraries to interface with the API, or about people using the API? In terms of libraries, I list one in the API docs, but I don't know the status of it. The API is just json objects, so it's (supposed to be) straightforward to use.
 
In terms of people/companies, there are a couple that I know about. An analytics firm does some sort of message analysis on behalf of one of our enterprise customers using the API. Another has built/is building a dashboard on top of the API. I think there may be a couple more, but because I don't require any sort of specific registration to use the API, I don't really track it.

Mark


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

 

Sure, and here comes another “yeah but”: yeah but again, not gonna ask my group members to compose using notepad. I think I’m done here because this has gone off in a direction that doesn’t bear on the actual practical problem. Either Mark can dream up a fix or he can’t. Thanks, all.


On Sep 2, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

Yeah, I know what you mean about Word.  Most people use it like a typewriter which it isn't.
If you want to compose a la typewriter you're better off using Notepad.
There's not much in the way of formatting that has to be cleansed by gio when you copy/paste from Notepad.
--

Bob Bellizzi


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Bob Bellizzi
 

Yeah, I know what you mean about Word.  Most people use it like a typewriter which it isn't.
If you want to compose a la typewriter you're better off using Notepad.
There's not much in the way of formatting that has to be cleansed by gio when you copy/paste from Notepad.
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

 

Well, thanks, Bob, but (a) that's not simple and (b) no way I'm going to instruct all my group members to do that, just in case they want to copy/paste a Word doc into a message. Or is it post ...;) None of these solutions to the Word problem solves the groups.io problem, although all of it is (borderline) interesting...
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

Bob Bellizzi
 

You don't need Macros to handle this.
A simple way to change the formatting in word is to:
  • Go to the Home Screen which is usually the default.
  • Just above the word "Paragraph" is a vertical double arrow.
    Click that,
  • Use the functions to remove spacing before and after paragraphs (if they are there)
  • Right Click on your Normal font (Just below "View" in the top tool bar).
  • Click "Update Normal to Match Selection".
  • Click File/Save to save that to your default document.

That should set your Normal to default to no extra spacing before and after paragraphs.
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

 

In other words, my groups.io message comes through just fine in gmail, without the extra spaces (paragraph breaks), but not on the group archive.

On Sep 1, 2019, at 10:08 PM, J_Catlady via Groups.Io <j.olivia.catlady=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

All very interesting but it’s still the dominant word processor and people expect it to behave nice even if it doesn’t. And why does gmail, for example, deal with it ok but not gio?
On Sep 1, 2019, at 9:40 PM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

The root of the problem is Word itself. Back before M$ Word, the predominant 'professional' word processing program was WordPerfect. It was (and still is) a clean, solid program that does what one expects it to do. When Bill Gates came along and decided to build up Micro$oft, he had to have an office suite so he bought an existing program and had his people soup it up. But it had, and still has a lot of strange quirks and failings. He sold it by telling people that it was the only word processing program that would work with M$ Explorer. That wasn't true, but that, combined with the 'first version is free' trick, it convinced enough people back in the 'dark ages' of personal computing that it became the dominant word processor.

It has a number of failings, some of which have been enumerated here. One thing I've found is that Word leaves a lot of trash in it's files. Any coding that was put in and not removed in exactly the same way is still in it. As a long-time and continuing WordPerfect user I'm used to WP's 'RevealCodes' function which shows a version of the displayed document below the WYSYWYG version, and shows all the embedded codes. (M$ said years ago they were going to add this, but they still haven't been able to make it happen.) On may occasions I could take a Word document that wasn't working right, open it in WP and remove the redundant and troublesome codes, and then resave it as a Word document.

Because of problems like this, and the desire to use the reader's own preferred fonts and sizes, I set my groups for plain text. That gets rid of those problems and lets the reader use his preferred fonts and sizes for their preferred readability. One way to convert it is to copy your document from Word into Notepad and then paste *that* into your message. That will generally strip out the troublesome stuff.

Just my two cents worth.

Dano


----- Original Message -----
Hi J,

It is a Microsoft Word idiosyncrasy. When you press Enter Microsoft Word thinks you want to create a new paragraph. It's the (IMO) stupid default behavior to then put a gap between the two lines and I haven't been able to find a way to go back to the old, normal, word.

If you want to simply put a single line between the two press SHIFT + ENTER rather than just Enter. There are several Macros that will do it automatically for you, but you should be proficient in VB to implement them.

As to the other formatting issues I "believe" it is an Internet thing. We had the same issues when trying to copy a Word outline to Yahoo groups. In order to get a pseudo indent, I had to replace the spaces with a "." (dot or period). Maybe someone who is familiar with the way the Internet handles multiple spaces can answer your question better than I.

Ken



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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

 

All very interesting but it’s still the dominant word processor and people expect it to behave nice even if it doesn’t. And why does gmail, for example, deal with it ok but not gio?

On Sep 1, 2019, at 9:40 PM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:

The root of the problem is Word itself. Back before M$ Word, the predominant 'professional' word processing program was WordPerfect. It was (and still is) a clean, solid program that does what one expects it to do. When Bill Gates came along and decided to build up Micro$oft, he had to have an office suite so he bought an existing program and had his people soup it up. But it had, and still has a lot of strange quirks and failings. He sold it by telling people that it was the only word processing program that would work with M$ Explorer. That wasn't true, but that, combined with the 'first version is free' trick, it convinced enough people back in the 'dark ages' of personal computing that it became the dominant word processor.

It has a number of failings, some of which have been enumerated here. One thing I've found is that Word leaves a lot of trash in it's files. Any coding that was put in and not removed in exactly the same way is still in it. As a long-time and continuing WordPerfect user I'm used to WP's 'RevealCodes' function which shows a version of the displayed document below the WYSYWYG version, and shows all the embedded codes. (M$ said years ago they were going to add this, but they still haven't been able to make it happen.) On may occasions I could take a Word document that wasn't working right, open it in WP and remove the redundant and troublesome codes, and then resave it as a Word document.

Because of problems like this, and the desire to use the reader's own preferred fonts and sizes, I set my groups for plain text. That gets rid of those problems and lets the reader use his preferred fonts and sizes for their preferred readability. One way to convert it is to copy your document from Word into Notepad and then paste *that* into your message. That will generally strip out the troublesome stuff.

Just my two cents worth.

Dano


----- Original Message -----
Hi J,

It is a Microsoft Word idiosyncrasy. When you press Enter Microsoft Word thinks you want to create a new paragraph. It's the (IMO) stupid default behavior to then put a gap between the two lines and I haven't been able to find a way to go back to the old, normal, word.

If you want to simply put a single line between the two press SHIFT + ENTER rather than just Enter. There are several Macros that will do it automatically for you, but you should be proficient in VB to implement them.

As to the other formatting issues I "believe" it is an Internet thing. We had the same issues when trying to copy a Word outline to Yahoo groups. In order to get a pseudo indent, I had to replace the spaces with a "." (dot or period). Maybe someone who is familiar with the way the Internet handles multiple spaces can answer your question better than I.

Ken


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: maintain Word formatting when copy-pasting documents into messages

 

The root of the problem is Word itself. Back before M$ Word, the predominant 'professional' word processing program was WordPerfect. It was (and still is) a clean, solid program that does what one expects it to do. When Bill Gates came along and decided to build up Micro$oft, he had to have an office suite so he bought an existing program and had his people soup it up. But it had, and still has a lot of strange quirks and failings. He sold it by telling people that it was the only word processing program that would work with M$ Explorer. That wasn't true, but that, combined with the 'first version is free' trick, it convinced enough people back in the 'dark ages' of personal computing that it became the dominant word processor.

It has a number of failings, some of which have been enumerated here. One thing I've found is that Word leaves a lot of trash in it's files. Any coding that was put in and not removed in exactly the same way is still in it. As a long-time and continuing WordPerfect user I'm used to WP's 'RevealCodes' function which shows a version of the displayed document below the WYSYWYG version, and shows all the embedded codes. (M$ said years ago they were going to add this, but they still haven't been able to make it happen.) On may occasions I could take a Word document that wasn't working right, open it in WP and remove the redundant and troublesome codes, and then resave it as a Word document.

Because of problems like this, and the desire to use the reader's own preferred fonts and sizes, I set my groups for plain text. That gets rid of those problems and lets the reader use his preferred fonts and sizes for their preferred readability. One way to convert it is to copy your document from Word into Notepad and then paste *that* into your message. That will generally strip out the troublesome stuff.

Just my two cents worth.

Dano

----- Original Message -----
Hi J,

It is a Microsoft Word idiosyncrasy. When you press Enter Microsoft Word thinks you want to create a new paragraph. It's the (IMO) stupid default behavior to then put a gap between the two lines and I haven't been able to find a way to go back to the old, normal, word.

If you want to simply put a single line between the two press SHIFT + ENTER rather than just Enter. There are several Macros that will do it automatically for you, but you should be proficient in VB to implement them.

As to the other formatting issues I "believe" it is an Internet thing. We had the same issues when trying to copy a Word outline to Yahoo groups. In order to get a pseudo indent, I had to replace the spaces with a "." (dot or period). Maybe someone who is familiar with the way the Internet handles multiple spaces can answer your question better than I.

Ken

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