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Re: #hashtags
Drew
Yes, unfortunately this makes hashtags a lot less useful than they otherwise would be.
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For example, there is no point for a moderator to edit a message topic by adding a hashtag to a previously posted message if most of the subscribers participate in the group via email: they will all have received the original un-tagged post and their email followups to the original will be distributed as untagged. Our group uses hashtags so that subscribers can filter message posts- both in the archive to selectively browse hashtagged topics that they are interested in, but also by email subscribers to mute tags that they don't want to receive. The current hashtag behavior makes the second task a lot less useful than it otherwise would be. I might as well add a formerly mentioned feature request for hashtags: namely, the ability for online subscribers to mute specific hastagged topics while browsing the archive and filter them from view. Drew
On 08/30/19 08:23, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
Nope thats basicly what happened. I thought
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Re: +Owner Email a Preference or a Permission?
To add to the inconsistency and/or confusion: Last night I changed two moderators' subscription options (or email delivery options, whatever you choose to call them) so that they will receive all owner email, and log entries were created to the effect that I "changed their moderator permissions."
So bottom line, it is currently logged as a permission when changed by a group owner, but it *acts* like a subscription option becuase the moderators have the ability to change it themselves. Whatever is decided regarding the desired policy (permission or subscription option), this is currently a slight inconsistency in the system. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: #hashtags
KWKloeber
Confused!
Are we saying that adding a #HT in effect editing the topic (- or is that the “thread”? or the “subject”? or the “topic”? — I guess it doesn’t matter if consistently being inconsistent is being consistent <wink>) in effect creates a DIFFERENT thread? And a msg reply to the old t/s/t doesn’t get hooked up with the revised t/s/t? If so that seems pretty un handy. It seems that replies within a reasonable period of time should ignore appended #HTs and get m threaded with the revised t/s/t. Or maybe I’m misinterpreting the business rules applied to the email subject lines?
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Proposal Automatically expand youtube URLS to Embed Youtube Video
Eric di Domenico
Could Video embedding be enabled in MCE? https://www.tiny.cloud/docs/plugins/media/
That way users can post videos and see them directly embedded in posts on the site.
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Re: #hashtags
Nope thats basicly what happened. I thought
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the rest of the messages would get the tag if the 1st message was later assigned a tag. The replies , as well as the 1st post were all done via email. Another observation thats related - is the tag gets added to the subject line multiple times, when there is a reply via email to a message that has the tag in the subject field already.
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From: "Drew" <pubx1@af2z.net> To: <main@beta.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [beta] #hashtags You added the hashtag to a message post in the archive. If someone replied to that message in the archive the reply would have been hashtagged also; but I think if they replied to the original un-hashtagged post that they received via email it would not carry the hashtag.
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Re: #hashtags
Technotronic,
Ok, I think I figured out what's going
on. 1st topic didnt have a tag, and I manually added one days later. Few weeks went by, and someone replied, but the tag on all the subsequent replies to the 1st topic didnt get tied in with the tag forced into the first post.Here's what the Topics and the Threading Algorithm, on the Group Managersr Forum Wiki reads: Posting by email with the same subject text causes them to thread together.... Here is the threading algorithm: If a message has threading information (i.e.: "References" and "In-Reply-To" entries in the message header), use that. Questions:
It's also possible that the person just replied, by email, to the first message they've got (in other words, the topic without the edited and tagged subject). In this case, I agree that the reply should be tagged, assuming the aforementioned conditions. Not sure if it will, but hope this helps. Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Sent from a galaxy far, far away.
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Re: #hashtags
Drew
You added the hashtag to a message post in the archive. If someone replied to that message in the archive the reply would have been hashtagged also; but I think if they replied to the original un-hashtagged post that they received via email it would not carry the hashtag.
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At least, that is my impression. I could be wrong about it. 73, Drew AF2Z
On 08/29/19 10:28, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
1st topic didnt have a tag, and I manually added one days later. Few weeks went by, and someone replied,
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 01:56 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
that does not necessarily make spotting a second membership application a reliable process.Right. It's very easy for someone to fake their way into a group, even with the new info on the geographical location, etc. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
Chris Jones
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 09:40 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Why don't you restrict membership and stop them at the gate when they try to rejoin?I was only being slightly serious! The group I moderate operates restricted membership anyway but that does not necessarily make spotting a second membership application a reliable process. Chris
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
Bob Bellizzi
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 03:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Then they set up another membership in an attempt to frustrate the process... :(Chris, Why don't you restrict membership and stop them at the gate when they try to rejoin? -- Bob Bellizzi
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
I agree, as owners/moderators we need to take control of our groups. If there is a need to show the difference between authoring and hijacking
a message it can be accomplished by approving the authored message immediately and waiting a day to approve or reject with a reply to the hijacked message.
Ken
"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io]
On Behalf Of David Grimm
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 10:09 AM To: main@beta.groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] New moderation setting proposal #featurerequest
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote: Once a "troublesome member" realised that they could start a topic unmoderated, but that replies were held for moderation, they might start posting replies with a slightly amended subject line in an attempt to circumvent the moderation
delay. Not to tell anyone how to run their group, but on mine, any member who goes through this much trouble to avoid moderation proves to me that their primary purpose on the group is to cause trouble, which gets them banned. (And so no one thinks
I am a meanie, I DO communicate with them privately first.)
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Re: #hashtags
I noticed something weird about this just the other day after adding a hashtag to an already-existing topic. I haven't had time to thoroughly check it out yet but just adding my voice to "something funny seems to be going on."
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:24 AM Technotronic Dimensions <steve@...> wrote: The replies only, are grouped together. This is what I observed after I --
J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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Re: #hashtags
The replies only, are grouped together. This is what I observed after I applied the tag
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to the 1st subject. Its possible that after tagging the 1st post, the system now views the rest of the replies as seperate topics. I thought that after tagging the 1st post, the tag would be recursively applied to all the other replies, but this has not been the case. Any other subject that has not been tagged, groups all the subjects fine.
*A question:* are the replies to an initial post correctly threaded below it when the topic is looked at on the web UI?
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Re: #hashtags
Chris Jones
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 04:49 PM, Technotronic Dimensions wrote:
As an experiment, find the 1st post in a subject thats not been tagged,I must confess to being a bit lost in all this, but I think I may have spotted a misunderstanding. A question: are the replies to an initial post correctly threaded below it when the topic is looked at on the web UI? Assuming that they are then the hashtag applies to the Subject as displayed on the web UI, and is not replicated in each of the replies. Chris
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Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 8:09 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 06:31 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote: I agree that politics are not appropriate on beta, but I read this as simply a joke and and having nothing to do with politics. To be back on topic, I'm definitely for conserving our limited worldwide 2nd line supplies (they're very difficult to recycle/reuse, don't you know), and therefore am against having two lines in the sidebar. :) Thanks, Mark
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Re: #hashtags
Initial post had a subject, and was later tagged.
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As an experiment, find the 1st post in a subject thats not been tagged, and tag it. Do all the rest of the replies now get tagged? I dont think they do, and I would like an option to apply the new tag to the rest of the posts in the same subject.
That's because although both posts are inside the same hashtag, they
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Re: #hashtags
1st topic didnt have a tag, and I manually added one days later. Few weeks went by, and someone replied,
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but the tag on all the subsequent replies to the 1st topic didnt get tied in with the tag forced into the first post. The 1st topic is completely seperated from all the subsequent replies now. All the subsequent replies are grouped together but with no tag.
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From: "Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io" <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> To: <main@beta.groups.io> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [beta] #hashtags ***any of the following subject replies didnt tie in to the 1st subject ***
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
I'm for the moderation actually, and I don't communicate with said person, they will get an outright ban. It's not worth the trouble to even try and reason with someone whois willing to circumvent the rules. Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well. Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc. Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff. Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
On 29 Aug 2019, at 8:09, David Grimm wrote:
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Re: New moderation setting proposal
#suggestion
David Grimm
On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 06:11 PM, Chris Jones wrote:
Once a "troublesome member" realised that they could start a topic unmoderated, but that replies were held for moderation, they might start posting replies with a slightly amended subject line in an attempt to circumvent the moderation delay.Not to tell anyone how to run their group, but on mine, any member who goes through this much trouble to avoid moderation proves to me that their primary purpose on the group is to cause trouble, which gets them banned. (And so no one thinks I am a meanie, I DO communicate with them privately first.) Dave
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Re: suggestion - Consistency (ies)
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 06:31 AM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Have we already run out of 2nd lines on the planet? I missed the breaking news in CNN.Can live without the political commentary, thanks. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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